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Moon mineing (O-Tec) needs a "balance"

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Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#41 - 2012-05-26 10:34:18 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
I personally own 2 tech moons, all protected under the OTEC agreement, so even if im not online thousands of people will come and defend my personal ISK fountain. I bet that makes you cry into your pillow at night.

Incursions should be totally removed from hisec, you should feel glad we let you keep them at all.



Few things, firstly i am shocked, amazed and led to believe you are lieing about the tech moon thing, as your alliance is FA. Well renters as far as i knew were never given high end goodies.

Secondly "you should feel glad we let you keep them at all" now if your not a CCP employee your indocating your some kinda of forum moaner who moaned so hard they were nerfed, and therefor no better then myself P

Third and finally, cmon a pillow? I sleep upside down swinging from the rafters
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-05-26 10:37:26 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
ABLOO BLOO GOONS WON AT EVE AND I'M MAD ABOUT IT.



Agreed you guys did good, but you should be able to be challenged in game, otherwise boring it will become.

Tal

Nobody's stopping you from doing so. The NC was bigger, and the NC was taken down in a matter of a few months. Stop being whiny bitches and organize.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-05-26 10:38:17 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Well renters as far as i knew were never given high end goodies.

We don't do renters, we do allies. Hope that helps.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#44 - 2012-05-26 10:41:15 UTC
Cmon, lets be serious, we all know its broken. Fix the UI then fix the game, instead of working on ship skins etc
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-05-26 10:44:50 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
ABLOO BLOO GOONS WON AT EVE AND I'M MAD ABOUT IT.



Agreed you guys did good, but you should be able to be challenged in game, otherwise boring it will become.

Tal


dont worry about us, we always find something to keep us entertained
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2012-05-26 10:45:22 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Cmon, lets be serious, we all know its broken. Fix the UI then fix the game, instead of working on ship skins etc


Whats broken about the UI?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-05-26 10:47:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
Cmon, lets be serious, we all know its broken. Fix the UI then fix the game, instead of working on ship skins etc


Whats broken about the UI?

IT WAS CHANGED AND I'M NOT USED TO IT THEREFORE IT IS BROKEN AND I MUST UNSUB ABOUT IT :AAAA:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#48 - 2012-05-26 10:54:05 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
I personally own 2 tech moons, all protected under the OTEC agreement, so even if im not online thousands of people will come and defend my personal ISK fountain. I bet that makes you cry into your pillow at night.

Incursions should be totally removed from hisec, you should feel glad we let you keep them at all.



Few things, firstly i am shocked, amazed and led to believe you are lieing about the tech moon thing, as your alliance is FA. Well renters as far as i knew were never given high end goodies.

Secondly "you should feel glad we let you keep them at all" now if your not a CCP employee your indocating your some kinda of forum moaner who moaned so hard they were nerfed, and therefor no better then myself P

Third and finally, cmon a pillow? I sleep upside down swinging from the rafters



My post was irony, it has iron in it, therefore is very very rusty. Like Maelstroms.

Oh and yeah the CFC doesnt do renters, guests, pets or meatshields. If you are strong enough to stay, you get to stay and if your strong enough to stay, all the rewards are there for you to enjoy. Now, im off to suckle at my personal technetium nipple...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#49 - 2012-05-26 10:55:37 UTC
While there are balance issues with moongoo, having ccp nerf goons so that they are easierto challenge is not the key. They are such a powerful force because they work for it. Their leaders keep giving them interesting projects and challenges to keep them from descending into bickering and rot. I fully expect that the leadership players game of Eve is internal and external politics online to keep everything going.

But the challenge is the problem. One side of the board rages that high sec has the most players and should have the biggest stick. Yet, those are players who will not even stay in their corp and defend it. That boggles my mind. Ever tried saying hello in high sec local? It's complete silence in most systems. People who will not leave NPC corps because they might get a Dec. There are more then enough players in high sec to do something. However, as long as it is a series of small self interested groups they will not acquire the bilities to challenge the null sob groups.

It is not risk free for them to hold their moons. I'm sure they put a lot of time and energy into keeping the situation stable. That alone is a very impressive feat and one that makes Eve amazing.

Ccp can't punish them for being social in a social game. Moon rebalance or not, taking down any of these large alliances is for players to do, not Ccp.

Also the Goo itself is not income. The income comes from people buying it. Suggest they nerf the goon income by boycotts. I bet it goes over poorly.


(Posted from my phone. I blame autocorrect for any problems)

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#50 - 2012-05-26 11:04:49 UTC
Tech moons have plenty of risk. It's the players' resilience that led to them having a secure control of these moons. Don't like it? Supercap blob them, then.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.

Prince Kobol
#51 - 2012-05-26 11:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Personally I think the whole O-Tech agreement is a fantastic idea, I am only surprised that it has taken this long for somebody to get it organised.

What makes me laugh about people having ago at the goons is that they have been the loudest voice for getting CCP to change Tech Moons.

Also I believe it was CCP Soundwave who described Tech Moons as "ATM Isk Machines"

Plus this Cartel further helps to show CCP how unbalanced Tech Moons are.

On another note I suspect that that Cartel has a lot to do with making the absolute maximum amount of isk possible in the next 12-18 months before CCP implement a change.

If I had a say in the Cartel I would be stockpiling at least half of all the Tech and at the same time doubling if not tripling the price
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#52 - 2012-05-26 11:16:29 UTC
How is ANY up comming alliance even ment to get close to challenging the tech holding large established alliances??

Money is power, the playerbase, or what represents the playerbase on these forums is hellbent on keeping the poor new guys poor, whilst as someone put "suckleing on thier tech nipple" themselfs, raking in the ISK becoming more and more untouchable.

For the majority of players the game needs progression, and once youve done some missioning, some mineing, some pvp or what ever else, there will come a day when you realise you have 2 choices, join an already established alliance and become a mindless CTA drone, put up and shut up with what ever unsociable hours your expected to play. Or quit simply find another game.

Myself im sure most of you realise, im a alt, of someone who has been around since 2003. with a short break in 2007-2008. I am really a null sec pvper. Troll joke laugh pick holes what ever. I am speaking the truth, one day everyone will come to realise the ahrsh reality of eve. Join the big boys as a drone or leave.


CCP wouldnt of had to nerf titans/balance MoMs if they wernt so damn common. Its actualy laughable now how many there are. Once upon a time that was a big deal "wow that alliance has a titan.... or 2"


1v1 pvp is dead, its all about bloooobbage, and if not bloobbaage ganking, both get stale after time so whats left..........
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-05-26 11:18:59 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
How is ANY up comming alliance even ment to get close to challenging the tech holding large established alliances??

The same was said of the NC. Where are they now? Oh right, they're gone because some people weren't whiny bitches and actually did something about them.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#54 - 2012-05-26 11:21:50 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
How is ANY up comming alliance even ment to get close to challenging the tech holding large established alliances??

The same was said of the NC. Where are they now? Oh right, they're gone because some people weren't whiny bitches and actually did something about them.



Ok Lord, how are you supposed to tackle a enemy with UNLIMITED ISK and funding? please educate us all
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-05-26 11:25:02 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
How is ANY up comming alliance even ment to get close to challenging the tech holding large established alliances??

The same was said of the NC. Where are they now? Oh right, they're gone because some people weren't whiny bitches and actually did something about them.



Ok Lord, how are you supposed to tackle a enemy with UNLIMITED ISK and funding? please educate us all
ask ho chi minh
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-05-26 11:26:36 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Ok Lord, how are you supposed to tackle a enemy with UNLIMITED ISK and funding? please educate us all

By realizing that "unlimited isk" isn't an "I win" button. The NC had "unlimited isk" for a long, long time, and they're gone.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#57 - 2012-05-26 11:29:10 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
Ok Lord, how are you supposed to tackle a enemy with UNLIMITED ISK and funding? please educate us all

By realizing that "unlimited isk" isn't an "I win" button. The NC had "unlimited isk" for a long, long time, and they're gone.



Unlimited ISK is a Iwin button, and the longer the game stays as it is the worse the situation becomes. The only hope for anyone is that large alliances implode. It shouldnt be like this
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-05-26 11:30:14 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
Ok Lord, how are you supposed to tackle a enemy with UNLIMITED ISK and funding? please educate us all

By realizing that "unlimited isk" isn't an "I win" button. The NC had "unlimited isk" for a long, long time, and they're gone.



Unlimited ISK is a Iwin button, and the longer the game stays as it is the worse the situation becomes. The only hope for anyone is that large alliances implode. It shouldnt be like this

Funny how that "I win" button didn't work for the NC then, eh?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#59 - 2012-05-26 11:32:29 UTC
Fight smart. Why do people believe it is the technetium that makes people powerful? It isnt money, it is force of will. The CFC and all the other tech holding organisations wernt born with a technetium moon in their pocket, they took them. Then took more.

What you need is dedicated pilots (and anyone who thinks the large alliance is full of mindless drones clearly has no idea what they are talking about), charismatic but hard leaders who are prepared to make tough decisions and talented FCs to lead their fleets. If you have all this you dont need technetium, but if you do have all this, you sure as hell can go and take some for yourself.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#60 - 2012-05-26 11:32:45 UTC
I am unsure of the exact way the NC fell so cannot get into details.

But I think its fairly safe to assume it was because of a alliance between other alliances with alot of ISK, moms and titans which took them down. Reitterating the fact, there comes a tiem when people realise, join a established alliance or move on