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[Issue] Technetium
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Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2012-05-26 05:34:58 UTC
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Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-05-26 05:56:43 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:

why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp

/Hemmo


So after X alliances defeats Y alliance, takes all their space and tech moons, X alliances hold on technetium is somehow "CCP collaberation"? Seems to me, they defeated the people living there before, now all their loots is belonging to them, its not like CCP just gave them the moons...
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#103 - 2012-05-26 06:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
Cheer up. When they add ring mining, you can get Technetium in wormhole space.
What, you thought Morphite was coming from belts?
All the T2 salvage was from Commander wrecks and players?
People actually use RP to get 2K stacks of datacores?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#104 - 2012-05-26 06:17:14 UTC
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


they need some way to help Goons, they got caught doin it the old way with T20. This way it legal in game




You know that traderjohn and vuk lau used to milk tech while hoping goons would help them. now they are simply crying because their toys got taken away from them.


(read sarcasm better)

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#105 - 2012-05-26 06:18:25 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
See, they were broken up, but they weren't the CFC. The CFC is invincible!


Its not broken, its advanced

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Eve Orwell
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-05-26 07:21:07 UTC
DurrHurrDurr wrote:
Take a look at the distribution of R64s in regions like Delve/ Querious and some areas of the drone regions. Before the last moon rebalance R64s (excluding Thulium) were the king moneymakers and Delve had more of them than anywhere else by a pretty gross margin.

Lack of balance drives conflict. It sparked great wars over Delve, the DRF northern push, the anti-coalition coalition pushes and the general firestorm that has been Tenal/Tribute/Vale of the Silent/Geminate.

Alliances that want to be rich will move and invade to get rich. Just because -A- isn't as rich as it used to be because of the rebalance has little to do with imbalance (especially considering the previous prices of R64s and the strength of Delve/Querious in that regard) and more to do with the fact that they have spent years in the same handful of regions without shifting their moneymaking schemes. All they've been are the holders of Catch and the presiding landlord of renter slums.

Technetium is not ruining other alliances' income; the other alliances' inability to take technetium (even in neutral areas such as Aridia, Syndicate, Outer Ring, Venal, etc) is what's ruining their income. Rooks and Kings has owned much of the NPC null/lowsec technetium until recently, there's no reason -A- shouldn't be able to wrestle some of it away other than their own shortcomings.


I didnt read past here because I was too shocked at a good DHD post
Hemmo Paskiainen
#107 - 2012-05-26 09:24:37 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:

why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp

/Hemmo


So after X alliances defeats Y alliance, takes all their space and tech moons, X alliances hold on technetium is somehow "CCP collaberation"? Seems to me, they defeated the people living there before, now all their loots is belonging to them, its not like CCP just gave them the moons...


i should have added hugh before income stream. fact is, with a 1.1 trillion isk income a month just from moons anything can be bought on long term. want new allies? why not buy them for 500 bil. need more more supers, why not buy super accounts by the dozens. on long term there is nothing that rly cant be done. the way o.o fights work with reimbursements means that the entity with such a hugh income can basicly reimburse unlimeted amount of ships. where the compeditor cant. the result is a arms/isk race thats out of proportion for everyone exept the big tech holders. dont forget that the reson why they all took them is because they are clustered togheter so much. technetium is the most clustered moon in eve. where there could have been choosen for more spread out r32's with more dynamic sov war, there was choosen for tech. if you look at the moon amounts and where they are located it doesnt make sence at all... why nerf dispro and prom to change it for a r32 thats even worse? only the fact that there are more tech moons present has prevented techmoon becomming the value of 2 prom/disp in the old days..

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#108 - 2012-05-26 14:11:55 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
See, they were broken up, but they weren't the CFC. The CFC is invincible!


Its not broken, its advanced


Thought it was appropriate give its Zim lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alain Kinsella
#109 - 2012-05-26 15:27:35 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
actually there is a good solution to the bottleneck problem.

all ccp needs to do is to make all the resources necessary for t2 production available on every single moon, but in different concentrations.

it's a pretty tricky numbers game, but as result there is a kind of break even point for every Ressource, where mining on a worse moon becomes a viable option once the possible revenue is more than the associated costs from running a tower.

it's a bit tricky on the numbers side and im not sure if it's desirable from the game design perspective but it's certainly possible to solve the bottleneck problem


I would agree to a change like this only if they replaced the current moon mining mechanic with the PI/POCO one (with either a POS or a POCO planted on a moon, but not both). This would spread the wealth among individuals in Null, and would not seriously impact well-organized entities such as GSF and TEST.

In High-Sec though, you would suddenly have moon PIers fighting to take down various research POS, through wars (and possibly the reverse). Moons suddenly become a more contestable resource, and something worth fighting over (requiring a more balanced corp/alliance to keep things in control - very useful when considering a move to Low or Null space).

Anyway, the original MD thread by Akita T (the one highlighting the issue several months before Dominion hit) had already given the suggestion to properly extend Alchemy. This is a more likely change, and if done right any Null moon will be usable for T2, just not always profitable.

A lot of people are hanging their hat on this 'ring mining' thing, even though it was still an idea at FanFest. That's a very bad move, and CCP's track record is still lackluster regarding the release of new mechanics. Its far more likely that a faster fix will be done through an Alchemy change / rework, since it may be possible to just add and tweak an existing table someplace.

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