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Low-Sec Exploration V.S. High-Sec

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Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-26 00:16:01 UTC
I've been exploring high-sec for most of my EVE career but I've heard that the reward in low-sec is much greater. I do not know much about this and the sites I've looked at do not tell me much as far as the real difference in reward.
Granted the risks are higher of course, but that's not really a concern.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-26 00:19:33 UTC
Lyell Wolf wrote:
I've been exploring high-sec for most of my EVE career but I've heard that the reward in low-sec is much greater. I do not know much about this and the sites I've looked at do not tell me much as far as the real difference in reward.
Granted the risks are higher of course, but that's not really a concern.


It's hit or miss. Certain overpriced medium shield boosters fell into lowsec space.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#3 - 2012-05-26 05:52:04 UTC
They're not overpriced, they're simply priced based on what players are willing to pay. Its called market pricing and its quite simple.

As long as players continue to pay these prices, the modules will continue to sell for said prices.
Alyna Stormwind
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-26 06:19:26 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
They're not overpriced, they're simply priced based on what players are willing to pay. Its called market pricing and its quite simple.

As long as players continue to pay these prices, the modules will continue to sell for said prices.


True.
Leetha Layne
#5 - 2012-05-26 17:38:28 UTC
More rewards in low sec.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-26 17:47:12 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
They're not overpriced, they're simply priced based on what players are willing to pay. Its called market pricing and its quite simple.

As long as players continue to pay these prices, the modules will continue to sell for said prices.


This anti-balancing mentality is why certain empire's lowsec exploration can be insanely profitable, while the rest are not.Roll
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2012-05-26 20:10:09 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
It's hit or miss. Certain overpriced medium shield boosters fell into lowsec space.


and now meta invluns too :p

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Mnemosyne Gloob
#8 - 2012-05-26 21:39:26 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
This anti-balancing mentality is why certain empire's lowsec exploration can be insanely profitable, while the rest are not.Roll


I assume you are talking about shield modules being 'the ****' when it comes to isk-value. Yes that's what it is currently - but it's not a lowsec only thing. T3 ships and in particular tengus make for a good demand in medium sized shield boosters (or even small ones, which is why the small a-types fetch such a good price).

Now if you look at armor modules the demand is simply not that high, and as such they don't go for such prices. Except a-type eanms, which end up on supers and the like, thus fetching a decent price. Prop mods fall somewhere inbetween - while sometimes used they are not a high priority and the popular 100mn fits use stuff found in nullsec.

Personally i would very much like it if armor stuff became a bit more popular, but it seems that's not about to happen. It is, i think, quite simple why shield (from a purely pve perspective) is so much used: tank in midslots lets you use damage mods in lowslots, whereas you need to compromize on that when armor tanking.
Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-27 01:45:15 UTC
Because of the dangers of low-sec, should I wait untill I can fly a T3 cruiser with a cloaking device before I start to explore Low-Sec in ernest?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2012-05-27 01:50:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Lyell Wolf wrote:
Because of the dangers of low-sec, should I wait untill I can fly a T3 cruiser with a cloaking device before I start to explore Low-Sec in ernest?


No. There are other options. An Ishtar will do the job, as will a Gila. T3s are great to have but they aren't the only viable ship for low sec exploration.

Honestly, the dangers of low sec are greatly exaggerated. A covops cloak will make you effectively invulnerable when not in a site, but any cloak will make you hard to catch. If you're at all smart about it any exploration ship should pay for itself long before it goes pop.

Edit: get out there. Nothing pays like experience. A cloaky T3 will help make the job easier, but you still have to learn the ropes of dscan, safe travel, and just generally knowing who is out to shoot you and who isn't. A T3 won't help you in those areas and will be an expensive loss if you don't have the minimal player skills required to make it work.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-27 03:12:24 UTC
Made 550 million isk inside 30 minutes in lowsec......once.


Can tell you how many times i got a tag and ammo


lowsec is far better than highsec by an incredible amount
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Johnny Augustus
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-27 05:02:04 UTC
Lyell Wolf wrote:
Because of the dangers of low-sec, should I wait untill I can fly a T3 cruiser with a cloaking device before I start to explore Low-Sec in ernest?


Not at all. Many ships out there can do the job quite well.

When I do Lowsec exploration, I do it with the expectation I'll eventually lose my ship. I'll do something stupid. I won't watch my d-scan often enough. I'll run into a gate camp. Something like that. So I prefer to use cheaper ships, like an Arbitrator. I've had excellent success with that ship, and it only costs something like 25-30 million total to buy it and outfit it to my liking. One lucky drop, and that ship has already paid for it's self.

Only catch is that BS ships will take a while to go down, but they will eventually.

I'd really suggest, that at least in the beginning when you're learning the ropes of Lowsec, that you use cheaper ships as well. If you use a more expensive ship, you might go through the sites faster and be safer in certain ways, but when you screw up and lose the ship, it hurts a whole lot more. It also takes a while longer for the ship to turn a profit, since it has to pay for it's self first.

But whatever route you decide to take, for your own sake, fit a cloak. You'll be grateful you did.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2012-05-27 05:50:17 UTC
Johnny Augustus wrote:


When I do Lowsec exploration, I do it with the expectation I'll eventually lose my ship.


QFT. I'd also second the Arbitrator.

Johnny Augustus wrote:
it only costs something like 25-30 million total to buy it and outfit it to my liking. One lucky drop, and that ship has already paid for it's self.


This is actually true for most low sec exploration ships. My Tengu will also pay for itself on the right drop (even in relatively ****** Blood Raider space). If you build your fit intelligently, you'll get what you pay for.

But for goodness' sake don't wait until you can afford to fit and fly a T3.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-27 06:45:06 UTC
Caldari lowsec is very good risk-reward ratio due to shield modules that are in very high demand (namely Pithi MSBs and Pithi Invuls), minmatar lowsec is a close second due to gisti shield boosters. Rat specific hardeners are a "battleship" type module and come out of nullsec sites.

Serpentis, Blood and Sansha dont drop a whole lot other than ENAMS in lowsec (ENAMS are considered a cruiser module while active hardeners are considered a battleship module). However A-type ENAMS are worth a small fortune and core/corpus/centii are identical.

Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-27 14:39:36 UTC
I'm not really comfortable using anything outside my drake to explore with, but I'll take a look at some exploration fits.
Tierius Fro
Coronado's Cross
#16 - 2012-05-27 18:51:32 UTC
Over the years I have used different ships for working low sec exploration sites. Currenlty, I work Mag/Radar with a cloaking Recon. I work plexes with BC, and for the big plexes I use BS. Course, I don't scan in a BC or BS. If I find a plex I want to work then I change ships.

I can fly T3 for Caldari and Amarr, but rarely do. Don't know why. Guess I like variety. And I would care less if I lose other ships, even a BS. The T3 craze has not caught on with me.

Fro

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Mnemosyne Gloob
#17 - 2012-05-27 22:20:55 UTC
Lyell Wolf wrote:
I'm not really comfortable using anything outside my drake to explore with, but I'll take a look at some exploration fits.


Well then use the drake. As Zhilia has said: go out and do it!

The first time i was in lowsec i was in a vexor with not even a million skillpoints. Do radars or whatever you feel comfortable with.

The most important thing is learning. Are the locals likely to be laying a trap? Dscan, then you see probes on dscan - do you get out, or can you linger a little longer? And so on.

You fly a cheap ship, it doesn't hurt that much if you get blown up (and i would daresay: expect to get blown up at some point), but you can learn from when you get spanked - how did they do it? Did they lay a cloaky trap in a site? did they probe and point you quickly while you didn't watch dscan?

St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-05-28 05:22:39 UTC
Drake is pretty much overkill for any of the lowsec Radars and Mags.

Lowsec Tips:

  • When you change ships (include having your current one blown up and moving to your pod), you have a session change timer where you can't dock up or use gates. So, if your ship gets blown up, don't try to jump/dock, instead: warp away A.S.A.P.
  • Shooting another player (including using ECM drones on them) gives you a 60 second aggression timer where you can't dock or use gates. If pirates attack you and you want to burn back to gate and jump, don't shoot back or ECM.
  • If you have fancy +5s or other expensive implants, use a jump clone (at least until you've learnt the ropes)
  • Don't forget to make sure your clone is up to date
  • If you see Mnemosyne Gloob in local, warp to a safe spot and cloak up
Mnemosyne Gloob
#19 - 2012-05-31 10:43:36 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Drake is pretty much overkill for any of the lowsec Radars and Mags.

Lowsec Tips:

  • If you see Mnemosyne Gloob in local, warp to a safe spot and cloak up


Cry But why? I only seek to find riches.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-05-31 11:04:25 UTC
Yes, MY riches! :(
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