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[Issue] Technetium
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SetrakDark
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-05-26 00:35:10 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
But so far all of the new big upstart alliances in nullsec have been befriended by Goons. The main people who oppose us are the e-honour types and I've kind of got to be honest here. E-honour is dead.


Don't talk when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2012-05-26 00:40:21 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:

But so far all of the new big upstart alliances in nullsec have been befriended by Goons. The main people who oppose us are the e-honour types and I've kind of got to be honest here. E-honour is dead.


Actually I think you'll find they've been enemies to as many as they've been friends to.


Diplomacy is something they've always been good at, it was needed for their early survival. Time changes everything, and if you watch long enough, most kings end up getting killed and their empires stolen.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#83 - 2012-05-26 00:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
I still amazed that technetium currenty is how it is. As my understanding the buff to tech was created to be a solution to the disprosium and promethium bottlenecks. Since this chance the technetium has proven to be a bigger bottleneck than those 2. In matter of fact, this was known and well spoken on feedback sections on this forum. This gave me a few questions and i was wondering if people knew answers on these;

why has there been choosen for technetium, a rarity 32 moon
why has there been choosen for a moon type thats the most clustered moon ingame
why are all other more rarity moons (r64), so useless; iow disbalanced as in material usage in t2 comps
why is this disbalance ongoing for the time it has being going on
why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp
is there a limit on how much isk an entity can gain for doing nothing exept fueling a pos once a month and hauling goo to empire
would it be possible that hoarding that much is over a long period of time, create a unfair armsrace vs other entities
wouldnt it be time bat this type of income to eveheaven and invent a more active way for enities to gain income, like taxes
as these queztion affects 0.0 politics alot and is a ongoing issue from a gigantic daily player base, isnt it a good idea to review the decion making process of the tech change and investigate this matter
as some wiseguy said; if its too good to be true it probaly is, is it?
as concerning player im shocked about the entire issue, modeling, implementing and handling. i would like to encourage CSM members to take over this serious issue that might br endangering the continuation of eve gameplay on longterm


/Hemmo


they need some way to help Goons, they got caught doin it the old way with T20. This way it legal in game

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why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp


isnt passive income bad? (if PI and datacores are passive this is to)

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#84 - 2012-05-26 00:44:05 UTC
also;

http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears

you will be harvested

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-05-26 01:31:06 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


they need some way to help Goons, they got caught doin it the old way with T20. This way it legal in game




You know that traderjohn and vuk lau used to milk tech while hoping goons would help them. now they are simply crying because their toys got taken away from them.
Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-05-26 01:46:12 UTC
DurrHurrDurr wrote:
Take a look at the distribution of R64s in regions like Delve/ Querious and some areas of the drone regions. Before the last moon rebalance R64s (excluding Thulium) were the king moneymakers and Delve had more of them than anywhere else by a pretty gross margin.

Lack of balance drives conflict. It sparked great wars over Delve, the DRF northern push, the anti-coalition coalition pushes and the general firestorm that has been Tenal/Tribute/Vale of the Silent/Geminate.

Alliances that want to be rich will move and invade to get rich. Just because -A- isn't as rich as it used to be because of the rebalance has little to do with imbalance (especially considering the previous prices of R64s and the strength of Delve/Querious in that regard) and more to do with the fact that they have spent years in the same handful of regions without shifting their moneymaking schemes. All they've been are the holders of Catch and the presiding landlord of renter slums.

Technetium is not ruining other alliances' income; the other alliances' inability to take technetium (even in neutral areas such as Aridia, Syndicate, Outer Ring, Venal, etc) is what's ruining their income. Rooks and Kings has owned much of the NPC null/lowsec technetium until recently, there's no reason -A- shouldn't be able to wrestle some of it away other than their own shortcomings.



The issue is the size of your circle jerk to defend the Tech moons. No small alliance or even a decent size one like -A- can take them. If any of them are attacked the Batphone is rung and you end up with the entire CFC, NCDOT and PL defending each others Tech moons.

The only way for this to end is to either,

Break up the CFC, which wont happen or Nerf Tech.

Everyone knows that Tech is broken atm and CCP isnt in any rush to fix it, nor do they really care to fix it. If it happens this winter, Tech Nerf, I would be surprised. However this winter expect the fixes for the New UI, Revamp on War Decs and a promises of V3 Minny ships to be broken.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#87 - 2012-05-26 01:58:36 UTC
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
The issue is the size of your circle jerk to defend the Tech moons. No small alliance or even a decent size one like -A- can take them. If any of them are attacked the Batphone is rung and you end up with the entire CFC, NCDOT and PL defending each others Tech moons.

Ah, because OTEC whill whip their asses with massive blobs. I see. So because 1000+ was too much, 2000+ is just levels of exploitation of our massively multiplayer alliances.

That said, we're hardly the Circle Jerk Coalition, it's actually the ...

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2012-05-26 02:24:57 UTC
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:


The only way for this to end is to either,

Break up the CFC, which wont happen .


So the last Coalition that held all these tech moons, exactly what was it that happened to them?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-05-26 02:29:46 UTC
See, they were broken up, but they weren't the CFC. The CFC is invincible!

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tertiacero
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-05-26 02:53:31 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
See, they were broken up, but they weren't the CFC. The CFC is invincible!


This time it's different
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#91 - 2012-05-26 04:09:33 UTC
Tertiacero wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
See, they were broken up, but they weren't the CFC. The CFC is invincible!

This time it's different

Besides, it's not just the CFC, it's OTEC that is collectively doing ~things~ with tech.

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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-05-26 04:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Cameron Cahill wrote:
So your alliance has tried and failed repeatedly over the past month or so to take tech, so now you've decided 'If you can't beat em, whine at CCP'.
Ahh the -A- we all know and love.


I was going to come in here and say essentially the same thing.

Trolling angry -A- Quoting is fun!

Hello, hello again.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2012-05-26 04:14:28 UTC
Degren wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
So your alliance has tried and failed repeatedly over the past month or so to take tech, so now you've decided 'If you can't beat em, whine at CCP'.
Ahh the -A- we all know and love.


I was going to come in here and say essentially the same thing.

Quoting is fun!

Quoting "for great justice".

"put sinners in their proper place."
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Judgement

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Sisocih
Space Mermaids
#94 - 2012-05-26 04:20:02 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:


But so far all of the new big upstart alliances in nullsec have been befriended by Goons. The main people who oppose us are the e-honour types and I've kind of got to be honest here. E-honour is dead.


E-Honor lives on. It might be a slave to the mechanics but it is not dead. Not yet.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#95 - 2012-05-26 04:22:35 UTC
Sisocih wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:


But so far all of the new big upstart alliances in nullsec have been befriended by Goons. The main people who oppose us are the e-honour types and I've kind of got to be honest here. E-honour is dead.

E-Honor lives on. It might be a slave to the mechanics but it is not dead. Not yet.

Not only that, the e-honour people are still here.

Still fighting the CFC as well. I actually don't know if any of them have joined us though, since you never know.

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-05-26 04:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
"Man, I'll do anything to get rid of the Tech cartel...

...except beating them in-game."

-Some -A- Dude.
Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-05-26 04:29:29 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:


The only way for this to end is to either,

Break up the CFC, which wont happen .


So the last Coalition that held all these tech moons, exactly what was it that happened to them?


Your RMT buddies and PL gathered a Big Blue list of people and fought RZR and MM + pets. However Goonswarm and Test, being the best buds they are didnt help and their AFK empire crumbled. Sorta like your RMT bot buddies in the Drone Lands and White Noise.

Its all good, You have Test to prop you up at the moment and when you get bored or have farmed Nulli to death, You will return to low sec and camp a gate while the rest of the TECH cartel defends your moons. Because its not like PL can atm.

~elitepvp~







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Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#98 - 2012-05-26 04:31:50 UTC
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
You will return to low sec and camp a gate while the rest of the TECH cartel defends your moons. Because its not like PL can atm.

Are you an -a- forums alt? I remember going out and sitting on a titan because you were whacking someone's moon.

A PL moon actually, I think.

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2012-05-26 05:27:01 UTC
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:


~elitepvp~


~poor folks~

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#100 - 2012-05-26 05:32:16 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
~elitepvp~

~poor folks~

~blobbers~

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