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Moon mineing (O-Tec) needs a "balance"

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Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#1 - 2012-05-25 21:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Devious Relation
So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details.

I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing.

The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL

Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit


This agreement effects 90% of the tech moons, how are new commers, the smaller corps/alliances ment to even get started?
Its things like this that put new people off and eventualy will be the death of the game
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-25 21:20:30 UTC
ABLOO BLOO GOONS WON AT EVE AND I'M MAD ABOUT IT.

Heh.

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#3 - 2012-05-25 21:20:32 UTC
It's only so they can look at all the Tech in EVE in the Unified Inventory at the same time.
Unified Tech fits with the Unified expansion.

Bigger laughs.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-25 21:21:11 UTC
So... it was BTL, TDF, et al that moved one of the highest paying activities in the game to highsec?

Dude, where can I get me some of that sort of power? Moving stuff around in the game? Crazy!

Or were you misusing the word risk?
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-25 21:22:03 UTC
CCP let everyone in Goonswarm keep the old inventory system.

Heh.

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#6 - 2012-05-25 21:29:45 UTC
blah blah blah, troll troll troll.

Seriously if incursinos were changed and people all got behind risk vs isk reasoning. This agreement and tech moons needs sorting
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#7 - 2012-05-25 21:30:45 UTC
Honestly, what compels people to post **** like this?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Vricrolatious
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#8 - 2012-05-25 21:32:32 UTC
[quote=Devious Relation]stuff/quote]

I'm sorry, OTEC is a player made agreement, which is a feature and a product of the EVE Online sandbox, making OTEC a feature and not a bug that needs fixing. Now go buy some shiny new T2 item and remember, when you buy T2, you're buying products that are made possible by OTEC... have a nice day, citizen.

WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#9 - 2012-05-25 21:32:44 UTC
The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority.

This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#10 - 2012-05-25 21:34:00 UTC
Vricrolatious wrote:
[quote=Devious Relation]stuff/quote]

I'm sorry, OTEC is a player made agreement, which is a feature and a product of the EVE Online sandbox, making OTEC a feature and not a bug that needs fixing. Now go buy some shiny new T2 item and remember, when you buy T2, you're buying products that are made possible by OTEC... have a nice day, citizen.



And BTL/TDF wern't player made? Didnt stop the huge eve comminity getting behind the risk vs isk crap to get CCP to change them
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#11 - 2012-05-25 21:34:16 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority.

This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's

You should really curb the shitposting, it's unbecoming.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-05-25 21:35:08 UTC
When even WIDOT can tell you how dumb you are you know you're in all kinds of trouble.

Heh.

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#13 - 2012-05-25 21:35:45 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority.

This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's

You should really curb the shitposting, it's unbecoming.



Let me guess, you own a tech moon?
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-25 21:37:24 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:


Let me guess, you own a tech moon?


I'm mining a tech moon right now. Does that make you mad?

Heh.

SetrakDark
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-25 21:38:07 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL


lol no
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#16 - 2012-05-25 21:39:35 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Let me guess, you own a tech moon?

AHAHAHAHAHA

No.

But if I wanted to own one, I know where to find them and how to get one. Unfortunately, I'm not one for that much :effort:, my ambitions are rather small, and running a large alliance doesn't sound like that much fun.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#17 - 2012-05-25 21:40:16 UTC
SetrakDark wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL


lol no


In the early days of incursions alot of ships were lost, and once they were sussed out not many people would run with unknown fleets..... why... because of the RISK
Pres Crendraven
#18 - 2012-05-25 21:43:05 UTC
How long does Miss Universe get to keep the crown before we get to gawk at some other hottie.. Maybe we should all reset to ibis and tutorials, keep skill points and attitudes, lose assets.

Meta34me

Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent.

Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#19 - 2012-05-25 21:46:18 UTC
This is less of a Technium problem and more of a moon goo problem.

I have no problem with players coming together and creating something like OTECH. Eve is, after all, a sandbox and OTECH is a sand castle build out of Technium. Actually, I'm surprised someone hasn't done this sooner.

That being said, I object to the conditions that allow OTECH to exist:

1) Moon goo is only obtainable via one faucet. This allows a few people to own all the buckets.

2) The pervasiveness of Technium. This is CCPs fault as they built the game to require so much of it.

3) Moon goo income is a top-down income source. Unfortunately, this is really the only income source Alliances currently have. That won't change until CCP changes how Alliances make money.

Anyone could do this to any of the moon goo sources. It's not specifically restricted to Technium. It's just that Technium is the most valuable. So in order to do away with OTECH, or the possibility of OTECH-like entities to exist, a few things need to happen:

1) Change how Alliances make money. Bottom up automated member taxes, 'rent' in the form of automated fees (kind of like Station rental bills).
2) Once that is done, make moon goo obtainable from a variety of sources
3) change T2 blueprints so that the require a wider variety of resources to manufacture t2 goods.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus

SetrakDark
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-25 21:46:37 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
In the early days of incursions alot of ships were lost, and once they were sussed out not many people would run with unknown fleets..... why... because of the RISK


It's beyond a stretch to equate "learning" with a political arrangement. It is farce.

As with 90% of the threads on here: troll or stupid, can't tell for sure. Next.
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