Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There's still the same reason as always: they want you to log in.

From a business perspective, people being logged in is what creates content for everyone else, so they want as many logged in as possible.

The skill queue is meant to solve two main problem: the need to get up at 3AM to change skills, and the need to stay logged in for hours on end to constantly swap out those lower-ranked/lowere-levelled skills. It serves the same purpose for all characters, no matter what age. It certainly doesn't suddenly add any nuisance just because you're older.

Well..

Once you get to only have skills to train that are longer than 3 days, whether or not I log in is not going to be based on the skill training. If so it wont keep me logged in for longer than swapping the actual skill.

This feature would change little regarding actual active ingame time from older characters. The main point is that older characters might not cancel their sub if they had this incentive.

As for training characters for trade, the people doing that seem to be very systematic in this, so adding this feature might actually level the playing field more, and bring them more competition. This would lower the price for trained characters exchanged, and afaik ccp makes money on the transfers, thus making this another incentive to add this.

There really is no loosing sides to this feature, not since we got rid of the ghost training abuse.

Ideally while considering this, a ccp training planner might be nice, since we already got some of these features with the visualizing of needed skills.

Also adding some content in making certificates more interesting and valid, letting the certificates boost LP on certain agent missions, and making it possible to add a full certificate to the skill training planner. SO just clicking "Add to plan" from the certificates menu.

There could even be special cosmos based missions you could only pick up when you had the specific certificates, and they had to show while working the mission chains.

Such latteral and rp oriented integration is much needed imho, to deepen the experience of EVE.

lazy bastards

You're way off base here. People really do log in for skills and stay on to play at times. It's really not that inconceivable either.

It's not a matter of someone being easily distracted, it's a matter of logging in and then realizing that there's an op starting and deciding to get in on it. Or logging in for skills and then someone says hi and you end up spending an hour chatting with them. There are many situations where someone can log in intending to change skills and then realize that they're having fun playing Eve. Infinite skill queue would guarantee that they never have the chance for this to happen.

I disagree.

The limited queue means that you cannot create a character on an alt account, load a titan queue and come back in 18 months and undock him for the first time.

If you don't have time to log on and update the queue, then you don't have time to play eve. That is the truth since NOTHING in eve is as easy or fast to do as bumping the queue.

So if that is your problem, logging in to update the queue and you don't have time for it, then you should cancel your sub and play minesweeper or solitaire, or a game you can pause and come back to.

Eve takes time to commit to, I know, I have a RL and I don't have enough time to play myself and sometimes my queue goes inactive for a few hours when I just don't have the time, but that is life and life is hard.

Disagree all you like, but your logic fails when you consider this:

The Player in question fits one of two descriptions, or is logging in or not regardless of the queue.

Description 1: They only have the time to bump skills. They CAN do this indefinitely, the above mentioned 18 month time frame fitting well inside of this. Since they are paying their sub, CCP is not complaining.

Description 2: They have time to kill, and lots of it. They log in to update their queue. IF, in that precious 2 minute time period, the following is true, then they might stay longer:
*>They belong to a corp, or have friends actively watching for them.
*>Their friends do something to grab their attention, realizing they are only present for moments unless an action is taken.
(This presumes their friends are online, and have something to do where they want to drag others into)

If the above conditions are not met, queue bumping player with time apparently logs out and falls asleep.

My point, is that people with both the time and interest WILL play.
People missing either the time or the interest will NOT play.

The queue is not going to provide either of these.

At no point in your reply did you address the question of this:
If I create an alt and fill his queue with everything needed to fly a titan and then never log again until done, paying sub for it all the time and then log in with a fully trained titan pilot who has never undocked, is that a problem?

If you don't think that that is a problem then we will never agree anyway.

But that is what I am saying about the skill queue problem, not that it would be bad for me who plays actively when I can and have no problem logging in to change stuff, but that the game is broken when someone can create an alt, train to titan, sell alt for isk to fund next alt with plex, rinse and repeat with tons of profit.

See how that is a problem?

If you don't, then I can't help you.

I still fail to see why it HAS to be limited its so annoying being away for a day n then realising my queue entered less then 1 day left then finished -_-

congrats on making a sentence that made no sense *clap*

Well considering some of us have work and a life outside of eve its hard to make time somedays like people who play all day everyday :p, isnt this meant to be a thread PRO infinite skill queue ?!