Missions & Complexes

UMad?

1) Nobody chains anymore.

2) Random 0.0 dwellers tend to have to deal with at least some of those things constantly, or have to pay for them in the form of Rent or PvP (most non-Renters require some PvP activity). But even for those that don't, all of that setup was done by Players over time and represent assets at risk and effort invested.

What sort of comparable setup (assets or effort) was needed to make ridiculous amounts of ISK in pre-Nerf incursions? Some effort was invested in mapping out the sites, and there's some effort involved in keeping a fleet running. That's it really.

Pubbie Corp alt. Too scared to post on main. Obvious troll.

I didnt know you had to form up for ops in highsec! or defend your space, or support yourself, or risk being bubbled at any turn!

What about Goons and PL?

You know, the ones who won't fight without their Capital Blob?

I thought is was real neat during "Burn Jita" that SOMEONE made Goon pods protected by Concord regardless of SEC status.

But of course, Goons are to tough and strong to have whined to someone for that, eh?

Yeah, pay attention, those were BUGS caused by TiDi interacting poorly with the various aggression mechanics of HiSec.

By way of analogy, if your Hulk suddenly started going GCC every time you tried to mine in certain circumstances, would you:
A) File a Bug Report to get it fixed,
B) HTFU like you'd prefer the Goons to have done, or
C) Cried on the Forums without doing A) or B)

The Goons found a BUG during their Burn Jita TiDi torture test, reported it, then discussed it on the forums in an effort to pinpoint exactly what triggered the bug and how to avoid it until it was fixed.

There was a Dev Blog detailing exactly what the Bug was and how it was fixed.

There is less effort involved in staying safe in high security space. It's true that after you get past the high // null sec border systems, null sec is quite safe; but there's still a chance you make a mistake, doze off, etc.. and someone finds you.

Anyhow, what's your point?

If you think Null is full of carebears, that's cool, go blow them up.

I do. They're pretty well known in the late night crew (well, Aussie/Pacific Primetime). No idea what they're doing right now, but I've been away for a while.

Ah, nice list of things to make you safe... I can dig that... but according to that list you would not miss local in the slightest in your "efforts" to do PvE without risk?

Of course you would. After all, intel channels, sov stuff and all that may make PvE better... but none of that will be even close to giving you such a sense of security as local does. With local you KNOW WITHOUT FAIL if you are safe to rat and mine or not. It does not matter if I come through a gate, jump through a WH, jump through a cyno (covert or otherwise) or log on inside your system. Local will let you know of my presence even before my grid loads 100% of the time. Cant get much safer than that now can you?

You nullsec people always like to talk about risk vs reward... yet its about 10000 times more dangerous for a hulk miner in "high security" space than in "lawless" nullsec space which is supposed to be completely bonanza dangerous... that alone points out that there is something seriously wrong with the current risk vs reward when it comes to nullsec.

If they would remove local from nullsec you nullsec people would actually have to do as you said to keep reasonably safe... yet not even close to as safe as you currently are with local the way it is.

Use local in HS the same way ratters use local in Null and you will be perfectly safe.