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Thoughts on Guardian fitting with Logi. 5

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Boz Wel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-05-18 14:40:41 UTC
I've been mulling over different Guardian fits and wanted to get some thoughts from other people. My issue is that I feel like I'm wasting the ship's potential with using a cookie cutter 3 rep/2 cap xfers fit with logi 5. I only need 1 rep coming in to be cap stable, as do the other logi 5 pilots, and so the only real advantage to having 2 cap xfers is it's harder to break out cap chain when everyone has 2 incoming power xfers from 2 different people. It seems pretty easy to fit 4 reppers/1 cap xfer with the standard fit so that's always an option, but I also see some fits with 3 large/2 medium reps that also include a trimark. At the same time, it seems possible (but pricy) to fit 5 reps and 1 cap xfer while maintaining the cap xfer, but that may be pushing the cost up a bit too much.

So, my question - what fits are the other logi 5 guardian pilots running and why?
Moroccan Tourist
Blood Raider Cleaning Crew
#2 - 2012-05-18 15:45:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Moroccan Tourist
There is a basi around fit with 5xfer and 1 cap , not sure if doing the same thing with a guardian is possible without gimping the tank .

Quote:
[Basilisk, Basilisk: Fleet Setup (Logi V)]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

ECCM - Gravimetric II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Boz Wel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-05-18 15:51:24 UTC
It's certainly possible but it starts to get expensive unless you give up a low slot. For instance, here are a few fits I've considered:


[Guardian, 5x Rep]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

10MN Afterburner II
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

The real downside here is that your rigs are going to double the cost of your fit.


[Guardian, Stolen from R&K]
Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster

Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Leaning towards this one as a good compromise between cost and improved repping/tank.

[Guardian, Oatmeal Raisin]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

10MN Afterburner II
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

And here's sort of the standard cookie-cutter I'm looking to move away from.
Moroccan Tourist
Blood Raider Cleaning Crew
#4 - 2012-05-18 15:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Moroccan Tourist
The cheap verion?
Quote:

[Guardian]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Reactor Control Unit II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I



The high cost version
Quote:

[Guardian,]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II



Or a 4.5 guardian

Quote:
[Guardian, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
ECCM - Radar II

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Moroccan Tourist
Blood Raider Cleaning Crew
#5 - 2012-05-18 16:10:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Moroccan Tourist
Well, if you are still looking for 2 cap xfers this one is a 3.6 + 25m tag
Quote:

[Guardian, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
ECCM - Radar II

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I



4.0 guradian with + 100m price tag and 1% pg implant

Quote:
[Guardian]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

10MN Afterburner I
ECCM - Radar II

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Wolfic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-18 22:16:05 UTC
[Guardian, New Setup 1]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener

Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
10MN Afterburner II

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Loses about 4k hp from the T2 rig 1600 plate fit, but it only requires one faction mod to work.
Monica Sharezan
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#7 - 2012-05-25 20:05:08 UTC
This is what i use on incursions it does pretty well.


[Guardian, Incursion Guardian]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener

10MN Afterburner II
ECCM - Radar II

Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large 'Regard' I Power Projector
Large 'Regard' I Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

****************************************************************
This is what i use for station games. stable with 4 reppers without using a partner and can run 5 for a good while solo. ... need +3% PG implants to fit. both fits around 50k ehp i think

[Guardian, Monica Station Guardian]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Power Diagnostic System II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Regard' I Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I



Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-05-25 20:23:15 UTC
Monica Sharezan wrote:
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener


hey look faction hardeners on a ship without CPU issues

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Monica Sharezan
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#9 - 2012-05-30 05:17:39 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Monica Sharezan wrote:
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener


hey look faction hardeners on a ship without CPU issues



hey look! a guy on the forums making another ignorant post. nothing new here ... move along folks

with all skills at level 5 that fit has 6.5 cpu to spare ... so yeah they are kind of neccesary. you are probably not using t2 reppers on your fit.
Liam Mirren
#10 - 2012-05-30 07:10:35 UTC
He's a Goon, they don't do teamwork so he has never seen a logistics from upclose, you have to forgive him.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Nakkano
Microsoft Excel Club
#11 - 2012-05-30 10:52:10 UTC
Needs 3% Grid implant. About 50,000 Armor EHP.
Not for cheapskates.


[Best Guardian]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener

10MN Afterburner II
Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster

Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Boz Wel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-05-30 16:28:27 UTC
The problem there is that the tech 2 rigs are quite costly. That said, I do like the stats. It seems that 2 power xfers is the preferred way to go, not so much because it's necessary for cap, but really it just gives you redundancy if one of your guardians gets jammed in a fight.