Warfare & Tactics

No there really wasn't. I have been very involved in each and every FW thread since the beginning and have started several of my own and the only "request" for total lockout came from null dwellers. They may have had an alt in FW, but really no way of knowing so can't and won't base perception on that.

No longer involved in FW, so I did act by using the only tool available to me .. you see, I do not have a horde of alts to handle logistics and arrange for rehips in 'hostile' systems like you probably do.

Oh I am out of the mud, first time in four years of fighting an uphill battle against bugs, exploits and imbalances I am free of CCPs stupidity (as pertains to FW).

No you saw station/gate games and gank squads move to plexes .. there is a distinct difference. The volume of fights remained constant past December, locations shifted that is all .. good thing to be sure as plex fights are preferable to just about anything else in Eve.

Kodos for taking action and leaving.....then why are you here complaining?

I do NOT have a single alt. I have been able to move all my stuff around from LS to HS or moving my items to a safe place. Yes it took time and I did it. I was able to move over 20 ships and 100k m3 of stuff out of LS until I knew the implications.

Like I said Black Frog and a few hours will do the trick. If your living in LS you should have a cloaky hauler anyway (makes life easy)

I had a short look at KB's and i noticed this:

number of kill's increased since the change, but isk destroyed dropped a lot

might be random or a trend, future will show it.

From the May 9th Dev Blog:



I wasn't even in FW at the time and I saw this coming.

Of non-home systems, warzone control is what you're fighting for. Home systems you'd be fighting for even without the threat of lockout. The current effects of station lockout are

1. That you but not your enemies can dock and repair in your space, and vice-versa.

2. That losing your ship in enemy space is more dangerous than previously, as you can't just grab a rookie ship to fly home in.

3. That basing yourself in enemy space and then conquering it is a dead tactic. But this was used so often in the past, it's just going to be revived as POS warfare. Which might be preferable.

4. That Amarr missioners don't have access to some agents. But before you praise that, I'd argue that any anti-carebear benefits are overshadowed by the LP multiplier.

There are so many negative things you can say about station lockout that I've probably forgotten about several points that I made already in that other thread. And the positive things that people keep saying remain just

1. (From people outside of FW) LOL IT JUST MAKE SENS

2. (From CCP Ytterbium and others) There needs to be a downside, you need a reason to defend, I've forgotten about warzone control...

3. (EDIT:) I was not aware that there have been 'front lines' with heavier conflict all this time, because I was too busy gatecamping in Eszur.

But actually, apart from still feeling compelled to point out that these 'positive things' are pretty ****, I think station lockout is an OK mechanic in the new system. For these reasons:

1. FW space no longer feels like 'lowsec+'. If you're in Metropolis, you're not in a lowsec area that Minmatar happen to control but whatev'; you're deep in enemy space.

2. While LP payouts give attackers the clearest incentives (take plex, receive bacon), station lockout gives defenders actual advantages to bring to plex fights. This and warzone control are what are really helping to encourage defense, not "oh no I'll lose my ships", which only encourages moving ships.

3. There's more of a role for logistics, remote reppers on non-logistics, active tank. There's now such a thing as a "I plan to be behind enemy lines for a good while" fit. There are more ways that less-skilled players can support an op.

4. It's kinda satisfying that the enemy can't dock in your station. (Future thread title: ******* NEUTRAL BOOSTERS, GET OUT OF MY STATION.)

Yes you did I specifacclly asked about it in the patch thread by CCP and was answered by CCP. I then posted another thread here saying no sov reset.

After reading all 5 pages, and reading the other FW threadnaught, I have come to a conclusion.

Right for whom? CCP has spent so much time in null sec its not surprising that there are allot of players who like these changes. Because yes this change fits well for the "hard core" htfu null sec crowd mentality.


Many of the more casual players who gravitated toward faction war saw it's huge potential to draw in lots of players to eve. And by huge I mean doubling subscription numbers. Many of them are less than thrilled with the station lock out.

We will have to see how much this is going to increase subscriptions and peak user. I predict it will be an average expansion increase in subs but nothing close to what an overhaul of Faction war could bring.

Is this change really going to add space to the eve sandbox or just shift sand from one end to another? That remains to be seen. People like myself see this as taking away space. What used to be a great way for casual players to get fun small scale pvp has "grown up" as hans would say. Grown up to be like another, already existing, option.

FYI, logged in this afternoon... picked up ship in Nenna. Straight away Fight No. 1:
5 Thoraxes in Medium Plex

Then we started moving to Tama . Low and behold, a nano-Zealot wanted to engage on gate in Hikk (under protection of gate guns). (He had a Gila and another buddy who chickened out)

Well, we might as well keep going. A Loki wanted the same sort of protection in Kedama on the Hirri gate:
Loki+Purifier, plus there was another fight we weren't involved in.

After losing drones to gate guns I dock up in Nisuwa and added to the wealth of the excellent fellow in SoTF who sells drones on market, and then head back to Nenna and our boys point a Drake.

We move to Aivonen to run some guys out of a plex, but there's another Drake.

Nonstop action all within an hour. Greatest expansion ever!

To each their own, you just seemed to me like you cared a great deal, with how much you lamented over our "defeat and imminent destruction/eviction". Also, I'd like to think it was our [Amarr] beliefs and spirit that made us prevail where others would've fallen :)

I hope after you've rejuvenated and properly gotten your assets safe that you may continue sending the Minmatar to their "capsuley graves", so to speak.

Amarr Victor!

- Capitol One