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[Issue] Technetium
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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2012-05-25 18:20:51 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
alittlebirdy wrote:
MOONS are bs... passive income... nothing more... tech is the largest joke of them all... 8bill a month moons...
Ya how the **** do you fight that.

You fight it just like the NC (another "how do you fight that???" moment in EVE) was fought: by being less terrible than the other guy.



lul you mean being epic as every 1 moon cfc has is a super a month they can lose you CAN'T fighting them as far as isk income goes...

Ya seems legit.


The last great empire was toppled by 1300 Spartans and a Russian thunderstorm.


No not believing



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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-05-25 18:20:55 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:


Crybabby.



What's a babby ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-lia-FEIY

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-05-25 18:21:15 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
So that the Goons could bring more lovely 'content'. It's by design, doncha know ?


Except goons were then undisputed lords of the regions holding the most of the previously bottlenecked moons which CCP were attempting to nerf.

Of course, facts are no barrier to mentally unstable forum warriors.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-05-25 18:23:07 UTC
SetrakDark wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
So that the Goons could bring more lovely 'content'. It's by design, doncha know ?


Except goons were then undisputed lords of the regions holding the most of the previously bottlenecked moons which CCP were attempting to nerf.

Of course, facts are no barrier to mentally unstable forum warriors.

Your img-timeline sucks ****. Hope that helps.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#45 - 2012-05-25 18:30:02 UTC
Before Technetium, there was dysprosium.

The bottleneck in moon goo with never be resolved until there's another source of the stuff. And guess what, a new source is coming soon. Be patient and stop buying the stuff - problem solved.
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#46 - 2012-05-25 18:30:13 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
alittlebirdy wrote:
lul you mean being epic as every 1 moon cfc has is a super a month they can lose you CAN'T fighting them as far as isk income goes...

Ya seems legit.

So what you're saying is, "the CFC can't be beaten", much like "the NC can't be beaten" before that, and "BOB can't be beaten" before that etc etc etc.

Crybabby.


Hmmm... bob disbanded from inside... so no they were not beaten...

NC not sure what happened to them... don't think they owned EVERY tech moon either (or dyspo)

And it was NC... razor... few others I am sure... cfc is what 20k people + okay sure...

Also, the dumb **** 1300 people blah blah... if you gave ONE guy a gun, would be 100% different... what did CCP do in eve... give people supers okay...

What is the main thing you do in war?

O right SCREW UP SUPPLIES... well in eve you have pretty much one supply... ISK, you can not harass a pos... mission runners... miners... yep yep... moon... nope... shoot it a mail goes out... no one needs to even CARE because well... it goes into RF so what... and if they do... pings go out... etc... boom 103423 people on your ass... they don't lose a cent...

Can't stop the jump frighters bring fuel, mins, etc... and can't take the tech moons (cause again IRL... when taking a point, it goes into RF and you can not attack it)

any more stupid RL comparisons?

Look at all wars WON, what did people do... wipe out EVERYTHING... bomb factories, oil depots... etc...

Can't do that in eve... the ONLY thing that matters is isk... thus moons...
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-05-25 18:31:15 UTC
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#48 - 2012-05-25 18:34:41 UTC
The problem isn't technetium. It's excessive power projection caused by the negligible cost of jump and bridge mechanics. It's too easy and especially too cheap for OTEC to keep all their moons 100% safe with their entire combined power.

Just look at the massive and quick response when AAA threatened on of those moons. That wouldn't been as likely if such a display of power would have cost a fortune worth in isotopes. Don't forget, ice has to be mined and/or hauled so it's not simply just burning ISK.

Same with jumpfreighters allowing risk-free, low-cost and extremely fast logistics. Dronepoo could never have been dumped on the empire market without them.

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-05-25 18:36:22 UTC
look at dem all mad poors

*swims in giant piles of isk ala uncle scrooge from duck tales*

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Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2012-05-25 18:39:11 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
The problem isn't technetium. It's excessive power projection caused by the negligible cost of jump and bridge mechanics. It's too easy and especially too cheap for OTEC to keep all their moons 100% safe with their entire combined power.

Just look at the massive and quick response when AAA threatened on of those moons. That wouldn't been as likely if such a display of power would have cost a fortune worth in isotopes. Don't forget, ice has to be mined and/or hauled so it's not simply just burning ISK.

Same with jumpfreighters allowing risk-free, low-cost and extremely fast logistics. Dronepoo could never have been dumped on the empire market without them.


Aren't you bored of spamming this in every thread yet?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-05-25 18:39:37 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:
Hmmm... bob disbanded from inside... so no they were not beaten...

While the alliance itself was disbanded by a director, this wasn't what actually cost them the war.

alittlebirdy wrote:
NC not sure what happened to them... don't think they owned EVERY tech moon either (or dyspo)

Neither does the CFC.

alittlebirdy wrote:
And it was NC... razor... few others I am sure... cfc is what 20k people + okay sure...

I can only hope you're trying to actually say that the NC was a small plucky coalition whereas the CFC is a huge fuckoff behemoth. Please.

alittlebirdy wrote:
What is the main thing you do in war?

O right SCREW UP SUPPLIES... well in eve you have pretty much one supply... ISK, you can not harass a pos... mission runners... miners... yep yep... moon... nope... shoot it a mail goes out... no one needs to even CARE because well... it goes into RF so what... and if they do... pings go out... etc... boom 103423 people on your ass... they don't lose a cent...

Can't stop the jump frighters bring fuel, mins, etc... and can't take the tech moons (cause again IRL... when taking a point, it goes into RF and you can not attack it)

any more stupid RL comparisons?

Now you're just rambling incoherently. First of all, please point out the last war which was won through starving an alliance of resources the last 5 years. Secondly, where the **** are you getting this "RL comparisons" from?

alittlebirdy wrote:
Can't do that in eve... the ONLY thing that matters is isk... thus moons...

You're pretty bad at this whole "war in EVE", aren't you?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-05-25 18:46:48 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:
MOONS are bs... passive income... nothing more... tech is the largest joke of them all... 8bill a month moons...
Ya how the **** do you fight that.


Well, when you have one or some you start by giving the most of it away in form of isk to subsidise pvp instead of filling yours and your friends wallet, witch in return will make people willing to pvp and defend those.


brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-05-25 18:47:02 UTC
SetrakDark wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Your img-timeline sucks ****. Hope that helps.


http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1207775

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20100203EE.png

no u

Um. I think I may have misread your initial post in all the haste. You meant to say that we were the undisputed kings of the regions with the most dyspro/neo, not tech, right?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#54 - 2012-05-25 18:48:43 UTC
Okay so alliance no longer exists... NOT what killed them... it was something else LOL

Like saying... well this guy getting his head cut off is NOT what killed him... grow the **** up troll...

I see why you need to quote you can now follow a thread

The last great empire was toppled by 1300 Spartans and a Russian thunderstorm

RL much? you aint the only rere I am replying to kid.

... I say you cant take away and alliances resources you tell me show you the last one won like that

NONE you can't do it wtf...

Passive income needs to be removed plain and simple...

shut up deal with it... When people are so bored, they want to attack others just for fights... the game is broken.

Remove supers
Remove moon goo from moons...

Wait for epic tears...

And game gets better.
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-05-25 18:49:28 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Um. I think I may have misread your initial post in all the haste. You meant to say that we were the undisputed kings of the regions with the most dyspro/neo, not tech, right?


correct
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-05-25 18:51:45 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:

Passive income needs to be removed plain and simple...

shut up deal with it... When people are so bored, they want to attack others just for fights... the game is broken.

Remove moon goo from moons...


Wow, it's, like, totally magic, cause this is exactly what is happening, plus CCP is doing it in a non-stupid broken way to boot!

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#57 - 2012-05-25 18:55:14 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:
look at dem all mad poors

*swims in giant piles of isk ala uncle scrooge from duck tales*

No point trying to discuss with these crazy people.

Just swim in all the damn :smug: we have. It's so greatm our titans all the way to rifters are running on 100% pure :smug:

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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#58 - 2012-05-25 18:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
SetrakDark wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
So that the Goons could bring more lovely 'content'. It's by design, doncha know ?


Except goons were then undisputed lords of the regions holding the most of the previously bottlenecked moons which CCP were attempting to nerf.

Of course, facts are no barrier to mentally unstable forum warriors.


The last 3 years have obviously been a Shadowgame by CCP and the Goons. Now we see the results.

Unless you PvP only, you cannot even begin to enjoy playing now, esp. thanks to The Window.

And soon, they will have all the Bottlenecked Moons or Not-Bottlenecked Moons they want, as it will be a galaxy empty but for Goons.

Then they will start canniibalizing amongst themselves, forming a large Ouroboros-like circle jerk fighting for the last remaining Sov areas.

And all will be laughing at them, and not caring at all as the obscene Ouroboros formed finally gives up the Ghost.

Then they will have won EVE, so I'm outta here (tick tick tick tick............)

***
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#59 - 2012-05-25 19:00:43 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:
look at dem all mad poors

*swims in giant piles of isk ala uncle scrooge from duck tales*


That blob flying past my head must've been Disney's Vomit flying past upon reading that.

***
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-05-25 19:01:08 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:
Okay so alliance no longer exists... NOT what killed them... it was something else LOL

Yeah, the fact they reformed in kenzoku and kept fighting means they were fully defeated.

You're dumb.

alittlebirdy wrote:
... I say you cant take away and alliances resources you tell me show you the last one won like that

NONE you can't do it wtf...

"You can't do it", you say. This is wrong, you can do it, the thing is more that people hate losing so much that one of the sides in a war stop logging in well before any side runs out of resources. That's the limiting factor in wars in eve, and that falls off quicker than you're aware of.

alittlebirdy wrote:
Remove supers
Remove moon goo from moons...

Wait for epic tears...

And game gets better.

Funny, last time I heard anything about supers, they were an "anti blob weapon", and "if they're nerfed, goons win the game by default". vOv

SetrakDark wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Um. I think I may have misread your initial post in all the haste. You meant to say that we were the undisputed kings of the regions with the most dyspro/neo, not tech, right?


correct

Then I misspoke and I'm sorry. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat