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Medium and Small Webber Drones
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#1 - 2012-05-25 08:45:08 UTC
Automatically consigned to the Bin of Uselessness: half the velocity, a third the EHP, and stacking penalties which make them usless.

Warrior SW-300's are too slow to catch frigates, but could catch slower cruisers...and maybe slow them up enough to make them able to be caught by the Valkyrie SW-600's! These could catch BS's, but would die to one cycle of a smartbomb, and have a sig radius big enough that they would die instantly to medium guns. Against a frigate, your SW drones are toast - in fact, you can lock Warrior SW-300's faster than other frigates!

I mean, what is the point of the Warrior SW-300? It goes 2400m/s - half the speed of any frigate you could possibly want to catch (aka a kiting dramiel, firetail, ceptor or comet), and will be basically hit for 100% damage by anything shooting it. If it somehow does catch a frigate, it will slow down as it enters orbit around the frigate, which given its pathetic webbing factor, will allow the frigate to escape its web anyway! Ahahaha!

Congratulations on loading even more totally useless "utility" drones into EVE's database, CCP. I did mention, in the discussion threads about these, that they needed to be as fast as their targets, but obviously I didn't realise you wanted to make them both weak and sig-bloated, otherwise I may have vainly attempted to disuade you from going down this path.

Even with a web drone rig, Valk SW's are unable to do anything to stop an enemy. Once again, your choices are either ECM drones or just DPS drones.

Just to be clear:

  • doubling the sig radius? bad
  • giving them 1.3rd the EHP? bad
  • stacking penalties on utility drones? can we stacking penalise DPS drones plocks? BAD!

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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#2 - 2012-05-25 09:05:12 UTC
Hay now TP drones do alright if your a caldari torp boat.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-05-25 09:16:39 UTC
There is a very simple and quick fix to this:

Make drone bonuses apply to all drones. Hoplaa, usable on the ships that use drones, but can't use these special drones without sacrificing their DPS.

Last thing we need is every kiting ship to be even more kitey with viable webber drones.

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Misspi en Divalone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-25 09:37:42 UTC
Take a handfull of Drakes, replace just a couple of your drones with webber drones and might just enjoy a nice little boost in dps for all your ships. I'm sure in the huge horde of ecm drones you can spare room for just a couple light webbing drones. The small and medium sized webbing drones, though easily killed, can be a nice addition to ships that benefit from that speed advantage. It's like a very weak Rapier that webs out to drone engagement range. Every second a blaster ship is able to close range to optimal earlier starts to outweigh the loss of dps from not bringing dps drones. Or will save you if it means you can get them from your back just a few seconds longer or even permanently if the opponent fails to destroy your webbing drones and you can outrun or kite just a little better.

Don't think about using them against frigates, they're no good against those, you're quite right about that. But consider they might not have been meant to be used against frigates. Go a size level up to cruiser and battlecruiser sized ships and you'll see where even a 10-20% speed advantage over your opponents can and does make a difference in small gang warfare. You only need a couple to have effect and you can reach out and touch your opponents up to drone engagement range.

Shoot my webbing drones or bring more smartbombs, it means not shooting at me or my buddies and one weapon slot less to worry about. I doubt people will start to fit smartbombs all of a sudden anyway, they didn't do it a lot against damage or ecm drones so why do it versus webbing drones specifically? A smartbomb would mean all my drones would eventually have been useless anyway no matter which and webbing drones are a lot cheaper then T2 damage ones.

Feel free to put them into your bin of uselessness, I think you didn't think this all the way through. Try replacing some of your drones with webbing drones in your gangs but not all of them. Do the math, test it out and you might be in for some surprises.
Sup B1tches
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-05-25 10:15:49 UTC
The stacking penalty is so stupid!

On the test server i was in a ship and a carrier unleasted 14 webber drones on me, i lost abut 50% of my speed.. If they were normal webbers on a ship and i had 14 on me, i would drop to less than a meter a second
ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-25 16:55:23 UTC
Sup B1tches wrote:
On the test server i was in a ship and a carrier unleasted 14 webber drones on me, i lost abut 50% of my speed.. If they were normal webbers on a ship and i had 14 on me, i would drop to less than a meter a second

No, you wouldn't. There's also a stacking penalty on web modules, even when applied from different ships.

Also, in your carrier example, it's one player slowing you down. In your second, it's 14 players slowing you down. It's not unreasonable for 14 players to be more effective than one.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#7 - 2012-05-25 18:17:06 UTC
Oh, well maybe you should have shown support on one of my multiple posts about this on test server forums

Unfortunately you're too lazy to get on test server and test forums, now we have broken drones.
ergo, you broke EVE

Thanks assholio

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2012-05-25 18:35:54 UTC
I'm planning on dropping a set of lights into my Mael for those pesky rats that like to orbit at the edge of falloff and go a tiny bit faster than me. Other than that though, and maybe a Rapier or something, I don't see myself using them much at all. I do like the idea of having everyone trade out for 1-2 webbing drones in a fleet though, that sounds smart.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#9 - 2012-05-25 18:43:12 UTC
Roime wrote:
There is a very simple and quick fix to this:

Make drone bonuses apply to all drones. Hoplaa, usable on the ships that use drones, but can't use these special drones without sacrificing their DPS.

Last thing we need is every kiting ship to be even more kitey with viable webber drones.


I support this change.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Monica Sharezan
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#10 - 2012-05-25 20:11:43 UTC
trinkets friend is right ... just what we didnt need is more useless drones. only drones i have seen worth using are gallente for dps minmatar for speed and ECM drones for utility ... everything else is kinda useless .... or not worth using
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#11 - 2012-05-26 15:07:47 UTC
They will add Hobgoblin WD 300 with 0.2 warp disruption strength in June!

Seriously even T2 combat Warriors do get popped by 220mm ACs...
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#12 - 2012-05-28 02:17:10 UTC
Yes Warrior IIs get popped, but they are twice as fast, take twice as long to lock, and have triple the EHP of these webber drones. Which, all up, means they last a significant amount of time longer than the webber drones would, if anyone was stupid enough to use them.

Let me be clear; if you are in anything being "webbed" by a "webber" drone you can lock it almost immediately, it will get one-shotted by anything, and this will take you less time than actually shooting your target. You will lose a couple of DPS. But really, you won't even notice them doing anything to you.

As for people saying that you shouldn't use them on frigates....whut? Drones are often the only thing BC's and BS's can use effectively on frigates when they don't successfully rock-paper-scissors and fit both web and scram (I know you're going to RPS this and say "fit web and scram"). So, again, your choices to take out frigs are...DPS and ECM drones.

Then, we have the fallacious argument that "any aggression directed against your drones is a win for you". Not necessarily. If you are relying on the web drones to give you the edge you need, then when they are taken out almost instantly, you lose your edge and ergo, you screwed yourself out of potential victory. Again, if your DPS drones were the edge you needed then at least they have a chance of soaking DPS or surviving long enough. Hell, you can't even recall these web drones fast enough because they are too slow.

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