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Capt Red
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2012-05-25 15:20:19 UTC
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We are watching teams that enter the tournament closely and in the spirit of the b and c team rule if we deem you as essentially the same "team" with two entries you will be removed from the Tournament.


Is this the A team being removed?

or

Is this the B team?

or

Is this the A+B team

or is it simply down to the magic 8 ball?
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#62 - 2012-05-25 15:39:02 UTC
FREE HYDRA AND OB!

In all seriousness, i'm not sure what actually went on here if HYDRA and OB did seriously try and do what they did last year then this is just desserts. But if u guys genuinely didnt try and multiteam the tourny then i hope you guys get in to the tourny and give us a good fight :)
-Buhhd
ElextriX
The Forge Buccaneers
#63 - 2012-05-25 16:31:14 UTC
Let them compete as one team. The tourney should have a defending champion, and the quality of the tournament will be reduced by not including hydra/0utbreak. Especially after a member of CCP's staff has caused so much confusion by involving him/herself when it appears they didn't have the authority to do so. By letting them compete as one team theres no risk of an A/B team and the tournament will be a much better event. Banning both just appears as being bitter at what happened last year.

To be the best you have to beat the best.... The winner this year won't be able to call themselfs the best without challenging the reigning champs.

I know it's difficult CCP but some common sense would be nice.
Hecater
Scullthrone
#64 - 2012-05-25 16:33:57 UTC
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. The winner this year won't be able to call themselfs the best without challenging the reigning champs.


u saying this like CCP cares about how and who will be able to call
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#65 - 2012-05-25 16:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
So if I well understand, Outbreak and Hydra are removed from competion because they are suspected both to play as one entity, PL and Sniggwaffe too.

BUT PL IS NOT REMOVED? wtf

Kick PL or let hydra/outbreak compet with one team.

That just doesnt make any sense if you let PL/waffe play but not hydra/outbreak. Shocked

If rules are not applied to everyone, thats not rules, thats bullsh**.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#66 - 2012-05-25 16:42:05 UTC
edit double
ElextriX
The Forge Buccaneers
#67 - 2012-05-25 16:54:48 UTC
Hecater wrote:
Quote:
. The winner this year won't be able to call themselfs the best without challenging the reigning champs.


u saying this like CCP cares about how and who will be able to call


They should, the integrity of the tournament is at stake, I know I'll be far less interested in it if this year it's a CCP invitational.

Considering how mad they are after last year, my guess is they do care about the tournaments integrity Ugh
Ausf
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-05-25 17:12:05 UTC
Shame on CCP. It seems they are happy to take players hard earned money each month but are banning two of the best small scale PVP alliances in Eve. I can understand some people feeling pi*sed and let down but the OB versus Darkside semi final was one of the most nail biting fights ever. It's quite funny that there’s a huge support from the massive fail alliances demanding both alliances should be banned.
The fact of the matter is, yes OB and Hydra are close allies, however, during day to day eve playing they are lucky if they fly together once or twice a year (check killboards). They have done nothing wrong as alliances in the past have done exactly the same and nothing has been said. If only 1 team had made the final nothing would have been said. In my opinion the bar has been lowered and I can't understand why some alliances are demanding for their removal. Surely the point is pilots want to take on and beat the best alliances in Eve and not winning because this year there is more mediocre alliances in the tournament.
I for one sympathise with both teams and will not be watching this years tournament in protest. Nice one CCP.
Siduru
Unexpected Accident
#69 - 2012-05-25 17:33:16 UTC
failing in communication with customers could not be more visible as its now with this decision.

shame on you CCP.
Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#70 - 2012-05-25 17:45:31 UTC
Siduru wrote:
failing in communication with customers could not be more visible as its now with this decision.

shame on you CCP.


Yep, some people seem to forget that the Hydra and Outbreak alliance team members now being shat on are also 50 or so of CCP's customers, many whom have provided CCP in the range of 100+ monthly subs each... And willingly entertained their other customers as well as providing vast amounts of marketing material for free while paying even more for the priviledge... Oh dear.
LooknSee
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-05-25 17:50:26 UTC
Raimo wrote:
Yep, some people seem to forget that the Hydra and Outbreak alliance team members now being shat on are also 50 or so of CCP's customers, many whom have provided CCP in the range of 100+ monthly subs each... And willingly entertained their other customers as well as providing vast amounts of marketing material for free while paying even more for the priviledge... Oh dear.


While there will always be some contrarians, I'd hazard a guess that most spectators did not consider what they saw in last year's final 'entertainment'. I'd hazard another guess and say rigged tournies aren't the sort of free marketing material CCP is looking for from its players. Oh dear.
Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#72 - 2012-05-25 17:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Raimo
LooknSee wrote:
Raimo wrote:
Yep, some people seem to forget that the Hydra and Outbreak alliance team members now being shat on are also 50 or so of CCP's customers, many whom have provided CCP in the range of 100+ monthly subs each... And willingly entertained their other customers as well as providing vast amounts of marketing material for free while paying even more for the priviledge... Oh dear.


While there will always be some contrarians, I'd hazard a guess that most spectators did not consider what they saw in last year's final 'entertainment'. I'd hazard another guess and say rigged tournies aren't the sort of free marketing material CCP is looking for from its players. Oh dear.


I dunno, a few 100k's of youtube views on just the AT videos of said teams, "emergent gameplay" "metagaming" quite visible in CCP marketing etc. Most people I know originally heard of EVE due to one of the many scam stories or other behind-the-scenes- shenanigans like the AT9 final ended up to be...
LooknSee
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-05-25 18:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: LooknSee
Raimo wrote:
I dunno, a few 100k's of youtube views on just the AT videos of said teams, "emergent gameplay" "metagaming" quite visible in CCP marketing etc. Most people I know of originally heard of EVE due to one of the many scam stories or other behind-the-scenes- shenanigans like the AT9 final ended up to be...


Rightly or wrongly, I'm inclined to believe there's a difference in the way people view normal eve gameplay vs something advertised as a tournament. The word itself carries the connotation of fair play and therefore the typical passerby would expect to see fair play. Of course metagaming is nothing new to the alliance tournaments (or even real life tournaments, for that matter), but generally participants have the common sense to refrain from overly advertising it. The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play, which was good for a lot of laughs by some but carried obvious consequences.

Do you really think yours were the first teams in something like 7ish years of alliance tournaments to have the ability to do that? No, yours were simply the first that were, frankly, dumb enough to advertise it for all to see. Killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-05-25 18:48:06 UTC
LooknSee wrote:
[quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play


Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. *gasps* yes, i said it... worse than Goons....
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#75 - 2012-05-25 18:50:21 UTC
Rhatar Khurin wrote:
LooknSee wrote:
[quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play


Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. *gasps* yes, i said it... worse than Goons....


Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action.

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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-05-25 19:08:01 UTC
Suitonia wrote:
Rhatar Khurin wrote:
LooknSee wrote:
[quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play


Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. *gasps* yes, i said it... worse than Goons....


Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action.



lol, mispost on an alt?

I has all the eve inactivity
Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#77 - 2012-05-25 19:18:44 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
Suitonia wrote:
Rhatar Khurin wrote:
LooknSee wrote:
[quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play


Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. *gasps* yes, i said it... worse than Goons....


Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action.



lol, mispost on an alt?


https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Suitonia#employmentHistory /o
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#78 - 2012-05-25 19:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: TomyLobo
I'm dead sure that we'll get quality fights even if none of the regulars are present.

Karl Planck wrote:
Suitonia wrote:
Rhatar Khurin wrote:
LooknSee wrote:
[quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play


Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. *gasps* yes, i said it... worse than Goons....


Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action.



lol, mispost on an alt?

Epic fail.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2012-05-25 19:34:49 UTC
Suitonia wrote:
pubbies


cultural victory anyone?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#80 - 2012-05-25 20:04:56 UTC
Donedy wrote:
So if I well understand, Outbreak and Hydra are removed from competion because they are suspected both to play as one entity, PL and Sniggwaffe too.

BUT PL IS NOT REMOVED? wtf

Kick PL or let hydra/outbreak compet with one team.

That just doesnt make any sense if you let PL/waffe play but not hydra/outbreak. Shocked

If rules are not applied to everyone, thats not rules, thats bullsh**.

You don't seem to understand. These are two separate issues, with two different sets of facts.

Hydra and Outbreak were caught practicing together on Sisi, in deliberate violation of a rule specifically added this year because of their actions in AT 9. Asking a GM for "clarification" confirms that they were aware of the rule and were attempting to get around it - this is nothing new, however, and CCP has made it very clear in the past that GMs do not have the final word on the interpretation of the rules.

PL and Sniggwaffe were not practicing together (at least, they weren't caught doing so). The issue in their case is overlapping leadership between the two alliances (as is the case with RvB), which provides a perception of possible collusion. However, they were not actually violating the rules.

In short, Hydra and Outbreak were caught cheating, per the rules, and were disqualified. PL and Sniggwaffe (and RvB) were not cheating, but were informed that they could not field two separate teams, due to the shared leadership issue.