EVE General Discussion

Actually for a competent hunter, it really isn't that important.

I hunt targets in low sec quite a bit, and whilst local was broken numerous more or less empty systems contained 20-30 people in local. However a competent hunter will already have the radars, mags and combat sites scanned out. Similarly a competent hunter will look at where the belts are, warp to a celestial within d-scan range and check them.

Also checking for wrecks on d-scan, knowing what various wreck names mean (are they missioning, running a combat site, mag site etc) and knowing the area helps. Especially knowing the area, there are quite a few people that when my neutral alt jumps in to system I know exactly what they'll be doing before I even hit directional.

Bad idea.

Nope because local is More important to the HUNTER! THe hunter get into a system and immediately knows if it needs to look somewhere else or not.


AFK cloaking is useles wihout local because you cannot make psicological presusre.


A cloakign ship cannot find you unless it deploy probes that you CAN SCAN! Or if you stay at an incredbly stupid place!


Local should be delayed. You enter system you only see stuff in system after 5 minutes and you only appear in local after 5 minutes. That would in fact help more the smart preys than the hunters, but would help a lot the hunters against the stupid preys.

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Explain to me please, how that is -not- incentive for the "prey" to be there.
There are other points to be made in regards to a removed local, but do I even have to explain how that isn't logical?


It's too good. In fact, it's so good that it is of detriment to both parties.
The prey know too soon and easily of a threat. And thus they are able to warp off, cloak, dock, whatever.
The predators know too soon and easily that a potential target is in system. And thus can relatively quickly make their way through many systems in search of the prey.

Regardless of your opinion on a potential solution for this, can we not agree that the situation as-is, is not ideal? And that both the hunter and the hunted will need to give up some of the functionality of this in order facilitate a better system?
The proper solution to this will inherently have pros and cons for both types of people involved.

You can spot the eventualities of the system as it is. It's no wonder people complain about afk-cloakers, and it's no wonder people complain about local being overpowered.

-People using the system want security, and local chat gives them that. So much so, that they can effectively reason it's better to not bother ratting or mining while some unknown threat is in system.

-The afk-cloakers are a counter to the powerful ability of local chat.

The outcome ends in a stalemate that no-one enjoys.

Unfortunately, both parties will need to relinquish something in order for things to improve.
"Prey" will need to cope with a system that is not as reliable and will need to take more risk in their activities.
"Predators" will have to deal with a far greater amount of time spent in search of the "prey".

Basically, removing local can potentially work. Although some kinks with the abilities of covert ops combats ships may need to be hammered out.


ALSO, you can use this measure to figure out what type of player a person is based on their position on this issue!

^ I'll have to assume the less-than-subtle parts of that post aren't directed at me.


^Their getting "caught" is merely their own suicide.
We're talking about the functionality of the local chat here, and had they known or bothered to heed some basic information that is clearly available to them. They would be impossible to catch.
With the purpose of making my point simplistic, if you're afraid of being caught, you can simply warp off while ratting, or mining, when a new person enters local. And this doesn't always drastically impede the activities of the individual. Hence people complaining over afk-cloakers.

Now ofc, doing something like I just described would probably really suck, but it would work.
Albeit it would slow things down, the whole idea is about putting yourself at risk, for rewards. And technically, you don't have to put yourself at risk to do these things(in these areas), because of local.



^ It depends on how you're defining pvp. But also, this incites "real pvp".
Some people enjoy camping gates, some bombing pods, some suicide ganking, and others enjoy the challenge or display of dominance with winning a fight. There are more.
Pvp is a flexible term anyway, most of these are just variations.


^ Dangerous thinking there.. slippery slope.


*Edit: I actually am curious as to why I'm playing an advocate here. I have no strong opinions on this and think it's probably alright as is lol. But damnit! I'm gonna argue!

Make your appearence in local on a cooldown timer. For example, new contacts appear in local after spending 30 seconds in HiSec local. So 30 seconds after entering a HiSec system, your name appears in local to anyone in system and anyone entering that system. Say 1 minute for Low Sec, (after spending 1 minute in said LowSec, ur name appears in the local list, and is immediately viewable to all people entering that system), and 1 minute 30 seconds in Null. At the same time make cloaky ships combat-probable (probeable?). Discuss.

Edit: Insert random lore here, HiSec has the most developed communications, but due to high traffic and inneficiency of the people running the system, your name isn't broadcast in local immediately, etc etc.

there have been more nerf herding anti cloak threads... and what do you know ..here's another one.


cloaking is not overpowered!

Charges on a cloaking device would make them worthless.. for tasks of recon where you have to fly solo 26 to 50 jumps just to get into place. Fuel has always been problematic for ships that depend on a cloaked return trip... the cargo hold on covert ops ships is diminutive at best.

You are forgetting a whole dimension of benefit to the "prey". They also benefit from the uncertainty generated by lack of free intel. They have the ability to cloak their defenses and lay wait.



This is an often proffered falsehood. There is always a risk. I have lost cloaked vessels in the past.. if there was no risk this would never have happened. AFK means away from keyboard... not running quiet while at keyboard.. The afk are no threat to anyone.... and don't even effect the game if you don't know they are there. Penalizing everyone else because you don't like that there are a few people not at their keyboards is wrong!

Local removal that I would like to see is a graduated system where Empire largely stays the same as it is now. Low Sec removes only the cloaked from local (while not chatting it up) . Null Sec removes local for everyone unless they chat.. and finally WH space no local for anyone ... and if you chat there are no IDs on the message. none of these changes to local should effect any other channels.

so basicly your saying you want stealth bombers removed/nerfed to hell with covert ops cloak nerfed, wont ever happen considering a dev originally redesigned sb's completely

stop being so ridiculous that a cloaky cov-ops means you cant do anything in system. try living in a wormhole, you got no idea whats out there.

removal of local in NS would be a great thing, they would actually have to watch the gates etc if they want to use the system for farming or something.

now if anyone neutral comes in system they instantly run to their pos and sit there. if you cloak in the system they produce epic tears about how they cant bear with 1 neutral in system.

think youll find they completely had a rework a while ago