EVE General Discussion

EvE is not a restaurant nor a supermarket.

A restaurant or a supermarket are temporary places you go for 1-2 hours tops, you invest all of 50-100 euros, they are not worth getting all fussed over. And next time you will go to another of 1000 restaurants / supermarkets.

EvE is more akin to having bought a car or an house. You are meant to stick with it for years and years, not hours. You invested heavy capital (of time but also money). And there are no viable alternatives where to go "next time" either.

As a large mining op foreman I'm effected more by this change than some players. I am satisfied, after reading the dev blog, that CCP are doing what they can to return functionality in some form to us. Some of the changes they have made since the initial release (and voicing of the problem) have helped.

Not that hard to understand.
We need more than 1 window wich stay in their place. If not, we would be throwing items into the UNKNOWN.
How could this be hard to understand?

Ban Hammers are raining down folks.

My other alt got banned for posting Monty Python Spam about the Spam Sketch in the FAKE SPAM THREAD.

Pathetic CCP. Such priorities in choosing who to ban and for why.


Now they start in on those who multi-posted about these UI Issues I guess.

First they ignore you...then THEY start 3 different GM threads about the issue to Divide and Conquer. Then they ban you.

The way the wind blows now is Obvious.

Post while you still can. Good Luck.

Modding can definitely lead to very bad things, if poorly done. But if you want to talk optional UI, modding is the best way to go.

The reason few software companies offers UI modding is because it's very difficult to get right, and it can lead to a lot of exploits. Companies need to have a team dedicated to monitoring the modding community to root out things that shouldn't be available in the UI.

Built-in UI options leads to UI complexity, because users are forced to deal with all available options. With modding, they just pick and choose what they want. And built-in options isn't really optional, is it? You'll still have to download it and deal with it. With modding, you only use what you need.

And the biggest advantage modding has over built-in customization is that it allows the community to really decide what's important (and not important) in the UI. If the company doesn't have the time to remove a feature they put in, no problem, the community can take it out.

This whole discussion about Inventory UI wouldn't likely have become such a big issue if modding was an option (no pun intended), since someone from the community could have modded it back to the old-style UI. That can't be done with built-in UI.



Now you're the one who's prone to hyperbole, and you're changing the question. You didn't ask if something was better or worse, you asked if I though CCP was doing their best. I don't know.

If you're asking if I can tell if the UI better, then yes, in my opinion it is. Is this the absolute best UI CCP can come up with? No idea.



A few points here. First, what functionality was removed? The OP didn't complain about loss of functionality, he complained that CCP doesn't listen and that the new UI is bad. But he never laid out his case for WHY it was bad. I also took a look at the Inventory UI thread in the Test Server Feedback forum, and a lot of what people are complaining about are bugs that CCP have or will address. The others are great ideas that CCP may (and in my opinion) should implement in the future, but that takes time.

Second, where's the waste of feedback? Some bugs have already been addressed by CCP, and I'm sure CCP will be working to implement other suggestions (despite what everyone believes, software development takes time). What exactly did CCP flat-out refuse to consider?

Third, CCP is one of the more communicative gaming companies I know of. CCP does dev blogs, dev panels at fanfest, dev organized meet ups, participation in forums, etc, etc. That doesn't seem like an inability to communicate to me.

Brilliant! ROFLMAO

The wasted feedback is all 30 Pages of Complaints and Suggestions on the Sisi Forum that developed over a 5 week period prior to this F**kbomb being unleashed that's where. It's an insult and a slap in the face to the long time experienced players who REALLY tried to help and avoid this. I know of 2 five year players quitting over this whole whatever it is.

And just look at the great news communicated to the entire gaming world as they ignored the EVE/Dust interaction demonstration event and focused instead on a drunken Wizard plastered on every news site. That's just lockstep control of communications let me tell you......................NOT!

It is. But by using a modding system, it could be the community's job. Yes, modding can lead to a mess, but there are plenty of examples of games that have done modding correctly, which have spawned things that are much, much better than developers had envisioned.

I think this would be better than asking CCP to provide customization through a built in UI, because I also think people would still be complaining that CCP their pet feature wasn't implemented, even with built-in customization.



True. And if you put it that way, then I think I can answer your original question: no, I don't think this is their best. Some of the other features in the game are far more polished and impressive. Also, I seriously, seriously doubt that CCP would put a ton of resources on something like the Inventory UI over something like the Faction Warfare overhaul.



Fair enough. And I don't think it takes a genius to know I haven't read them. I'll refrain from commenting on missing functionality until I do more reading.



It may have taken CCP a bit of time to clue in, but they did, in step 7. I don't see that as wasted feedback. Delayed acceptance of feedback, sure, but not wasted.

Also, there's no possible way CCP can acknowledge and act on every bit of feedback they get. I think people threatening to unsubscribe three days after an expansion has released because one minor feature out of many doesn't line up perfectly to the way they play is going overboard.

i agree that there's no way that CCP can acknowledge and act on every bit of feedback, but when that feedback is the first post of the biggest feedback thread and it doesn't get acted on it's a little bit worrying, what's also worrying is that at some point this patch had internal testing and of all the employees - many of whom say they play EVE - not one noticed the glaring problems with say POS modules, or windows not being persistant

also Unified Inventory is not a minor feature, it's the MAIN feature of the patch, sure they threw FW some bones, and sure they did some (awesome) new bomber models, and some good turret / missile hardpoints, but those are (in the grand scheme) relatively minor gameplay and graphic mechanics and the inventory system is a CORE part of the game, it impacts every single aspect of the game - before anybody gets mad, what i mean is this

some people don't do FW
some people don't use bombers
some people don't use missiles

EVERYBODY uses the inventory

when the biggest change in an 'expansion' is that problematic that it causes this much outrage which is then mostly ignored? i've yet to see a single CCP employee actively engage with anybody about the inventory past "what can we do to fix it guys!" followed by ignoring anybody who said make it optional or turn it off? that is not a good sign, it is not good communication



Tranquility is not a test server. it's LIVE things should not get to TQ in this state, that simple. bugs will happen sure, everybody expects it and nobody expects CCP to be flawless but bugs that have been heavily reported on the TEST server should not appear on live. that's not taking into account the things completely unrelated to the inventory that are STILL buggy - i'm still seeing people online when they aren't for example. - i'm talking about things like none persistant windows, POS problems, orca hanger problems, problems with it just not working with some colour schemes (don't know if that's been fixed but i haven't seen anything?) and so on.

even by the lax standards CCP has at times this was a terribly implemented expansion. where a large portion of players whose views don't agree with CCPhave been ignored and promises by the companys CEO have been broken, the whole purpose of this thread was to point that out and try at least to hold him accountable, and it still seems certain people aren't interested in using things like communication and would rather bury their heads in the sand and avoid the issue.