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The exploits of Master Pirate "Bumpy" Shti Draag.

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Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#1 - 2012-05-25 16:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Musashi IV
I first met (bumped into) Master Pirate "Bumpy" Shti Drag when he started bumping into my mining ships disrupting the mining operation. He said he wanted 100 mil to stop bumping my ships. I said I dont deal with pirates. He said he was not a pirate but just liked bumping ships. I told him that his dog may like it but dont bump my ships. This went on for a few days and I got tired of fixing the holes the rear end of my ships so I declared war on his corporation. He said how dare I declare war on his corporation. Didnt I know who I was dealing with and that he was going to destroy my ships and disrupt my mining operation until I paid him. I told him I was a peace loving miner so please dont kill me. I then told him he had a typo error in his first name. He said he knew it but CCP wouldnt change it.

He continued disrupting my mining operation for a week and then on Sunday 05/13/12 he showed me why they call him a master pirate. In one day he killed 4 Iteron's, 1 Retriever and 2 capsules . He only needed assistance from 3 players. Yes I know its hard to believe but take a look at his corporation kill page at Blue Frost Industries.

Before I could publish this thread "Bumby" Shti Draag was kicked out of Blue Frost Industries for playing like nuub and causing them so many problems. After this he wanted me to come out and fight him. I told him that Im not very good at bumping like him and I dont have the fighting skills like cargo pilots have. Now he has vowed to destroy me. It might take him awile because I dont pilot cargo ships.
Blnukem 192
Death By Design
#2 - 2012-05-25 16:24:08 UTC
So what's the problem? Man up and kick his ass.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#3 - 2012-05-25 16:25:59 UTC
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#4 - 2012-05-25 16:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Musashi IV
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.


I wrote a petition about bumping. CCP said bumping is game mechanic and nothing can be done about it.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-25 16:32:06 UTC
set close orbit on stuff, makes it much more difficult to bump, even with slowboaties.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2012-05-25 16:33:16 UTC
That wasn't even a cool story bro.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#7 - 2012-05-25 16:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Musashi IV
Markus Reese wrote:
set close orbit on stuff, makes it much more difficult to bump, even with slowboaties.



Have you ever tried to orbit an orca and have 2 ships mine at the same time. Very hard to do. Also did you know if someone is bumping an orca you can not warp or even log out of the game.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#8 - 2012-05-25 16:36:26 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.


I wrote a petition about bumping. CCP said bumping is game mechanic and nothing can be done about it.



No you didn't

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#9 - 2012-05-25 16:37:39 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Musashi IV wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.


I wrote a petition about bumping. CCP said bumping is game mechanic and nothing can be done about it.



No you didn't


Yes I did!!
Riyal
invidious Squid
#10 - 2012-05-25 16:37:50 UTC
1) Declare war.
2) Hold a mining op?

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh

Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-25 16:41:26 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.

Is this really correct? I've been under the impression that bumping supers out of their pos shield is a valid tactic.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#12 - 2012-05-25 16:43:44 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.

Is this really correct? I've been under the impression that bumping supers out of their pos shield is a valid tactic.


Excessive bumping. The same rule would probably apply for excessive verbal abuse, if we weren't able to block people. Since you can't stop people from perma-bumping you tho, there has to be a limit somewhere. Should be quite obvious, but you never know, some people might actually not understand the difference between "using game mechanics as valid tactic" vs "excessive use that has no real counter".

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#13 - 2012-05-25 16:47:32 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.

Is this really correct? I've been under the impression that bumping supers out of their pos shield is a valid tactic.


Excessive bumping. The same rule would probably apply for excessive verbal abuse, if we weren't able to block people. Since you can't stop people from perma-bumping you tho, there has to be a limit somewhere. Should be quite obvious, but you never know, some people might actually not understand the difference between "using game mechanics as valid tactic" vs "excessive use that has no real counter".



Exactly. Using a nano to bump a freighter on gate is one thing, bumping the same guy in the same belt for 3 days straight is grief play.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#14 - 2012-05-25 20:55:32 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Misanth wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.

Is this really correct? I've been under the impression that bumping supers out of their pos shield is a valid tactic.


Excessive bumping. The same rule would probably apply for excessive verbal abuse, if we weren't able to block people. Since you can't stop people from perma-bumping you tho, there has to be a limit somewhere. Should be quite obvious, but you never know, some people might actually not understand the difference between "using game mechanics as valid tactic" vs "excessive use that has no real counter".



Exactly. Using a nano to bump a freighter on gate is one thing, bumping the same guy in the same belt for 3 days straight is grief play.


I wish this was abuse but CCP says no.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#15 - 2012-05-25 21:01:25 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Misanth wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.

Is this really correct? I've been under the impression that bumping supers out of their pos shield is a valid tactic.


Excessive bumping. The same rule would probably apply for excessive verbal abuse, if we weren't able to block people. Since you can't stop people from perma-bumping you tho, there has to be a limit somewhere. Should be quite obvious, but you never know, some people might actually not understand the difference between "using game mechanics as valid tactic" vs "excessive use that has no real counter".



Exactly. Using a nano to bump a freighter on gate is one thing, bumping the same guy in the same belt for 3 days straight is grief play.


I wish this was abuse but CCP says no.


Even though I linked you to the eve page that says it is. Look, we already know the pirate is you and you were trying to tell us how funny you are, and it failed. No sense in making yourself look dumber with each post.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#16 - 2012-05-25 21:08:30 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.


Quote:
Bump griefing

Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.

This tactic is most notably executed at POS bubbles, where capital ships or other slow-moving vessels in particular may be bumped away from the safety of a shield bubble so that they can be tackled and destroyed.


Did you read what you linked?

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#17 - 2012-05-25 21:13:35 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.


Quote:
Bump griefing

Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.

This tactic is most notably executed at POS bubbles, where capital ships or other slow-moving vessels in particular may be bumped away from the safety of a shield bubble so that they can be tackled and destroyed.


Did you read what you linked?


I did, did you? Take note of what I said earlier, ramming a ship at a gate is ok. Bumping somebody for several days on end is considered griefing.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#18 - 2012-05-25 21:24:06 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.


Quote:
Bump griefing

Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.

This tactic is most notably executed at POS bubbles, where capital ships or other slow-moving vessels in particular may be bumped away from the safety of a shield bubble so that they can be tackled and destroyed.


Did you read what you linked?


I did, did you? Take note of what I said earlier, ramming a ship at a gate is ok. Bumping somebody for several days on end is considered griefing.


My apologies. I know that my eyes aren't that good but I am still not seeing where bumping, even if repeated, is an offense warranting a petition. Based on what the OP stated, he did petition. He was told, as the linked article suggests, that it is not a violation. Surely I am missing something here.

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#19 - 2012-05-25 21:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: THE L0CK
Kimmi Chan wrote:


My apologies. I know that my eyes aren't that good but I am still not seeing where bumping, even if repeated, is an offense warranting a petition. Based on what the OP stated, he did petition. He was told, as the linked article suggests, that it is not a violation. Surely I am missing something here.



Based on what he said. People say a lot of things on the internet. Let's ask him to post the response shall we? I hope you'll notice that he made no mention of the petition in the op, only that he dec'd the guys corp. He only brought up the petition after I mentioned it and it later turned into 2 petitions. Story keeps changing.

This rule has been around for at least 5 years that I know of, back in the nano age. It was created because people were purposely bumping mining ships away from asteroids just to simply disrupt their process. And you will notice that this is not a practice in common use anymore.

The concept functions like the can flipping. You can go pretty much anywhere and flip a can...except near a starter area, as it then turns into griefing. You can ram a ship at a gate trying to get away, but you can not continually bump another player for hours or days on end preventing him from effectively doing anything.

Edit: In essence when you aggress somebody they have to be able to retaliate against you at the very least. You can lock down a player with bumping and he essentially can not retaliate. Aggression without retaliation equals grief.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#20 - 2012-05-26 13:02:53 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
You do know that bumping for no other purpose than to annoy the player is one of the few actual items in game that is considered griefing, right? Could have saved yourself a whole mess of trouble and just petition him.



I have a petition response in my possession that says the exact opposite, interestingly enough