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Aulus Corvus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-25 15:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aulus Corvus
EVE has seen quite a few visual improvements recently - from v3 Amarr ships to new bomber models. The more visually appealing EVE becomes, the more obvious the fact that the current standard ingame tool for corp logo creation is absolutely inadequate and totally outdated. Since the pool of items that make a logo is limited, it's almost impossible to create an image that would represent your corporation in a unique way. What a majority of corps have for a corp logo is a number of meaningless pictures layered on top of each other! It's visually repulsive and makes an otherwise great game look lame.

The only sensible solution to this would be to introduce a custom logo service similar to that already utilized for alliance logos. Of course, since the number of corporations is high, some restrictions have to be applied, like the minimum number of people in a corporation that wishes to submit a custom logo.

Oh, and please get rid of the old logo generator. It might have looked cool in the early 2000s, now it's an embarrassment. Seriously.
Leviathian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-25 15:28:00 UTC
supported.

logo's are just a trashy graphic attached to a name. they mean nothing. we've all seen the symbols before. they aren't a logo of anything.

I mean, honestly CCP. would you use your logo generation for your company?
Kaylen Vimanis
#3 - 2012-05-25 15:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaylen Vimanis
Not sure if they should do custom ones like alliances have because you could well get a lot of phallic looking ones which cannot be realistically moderated, and we all know eve players would do this.

An updated corp logo system is a good idea and i support this, but i'd imagine this isn't a feature that is as badly needed as say POS mechanics, and corporation management in general.

Though saying that i'm sure updating the logo creation to add more colours complexity, layers and designs would not be too difficult, though that would still make them largely meaningless.

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Aerich e'Kieron
Peace.Keepers
Federation Front Line
#4 - 2012-05-25 15:50:12 UTC
Supported.

Because there needs to be far more focus on the corporations.

And I like aesthetically pleasing things.

A lot.
Aulus Corvus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-25 16:01:54 UTC
Kaylen Vimanis wrote:
Not sure if they should do custom ones like alliances have because you could well get a lot of phallic looking ones which cannot be realistically moderated, and we all know eve players would do this.

An updated corp logo system is a good idea and i support this, but i'd imagine this isn't a feature that is as badly needed as say POS mechanics, and corporation management in general.

Though saying that i'm sure updating the logo creation to add more colours complexity, layers and designs would not be too difficult, though that would still make them largely meaningless.


The existing alliance logo submission system already has a pre-moderation stage. This Evelopedia article suggests that all logos are not only moderated, they undergo a revision by Art department. The reason I came up with this idea is because I strongly believe that significant improvements can be made by using already existing procedures. No need for coming up with something new, just apply what you have and voilà - everyone's happy.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2012-05-25 16:36:27 UTC
The existing Alliance logo system is also time consuming, apparently, as some alliances can wait months or years before seeing their logo approved and placed ingame.

I only support this as long as the current logo generator is kept available, and custom logos are merely an option.

Katrina Oniseki
Esh Slyyn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-05-29 13:10:40 UTC
Necrobump.

EvE NEED a corporation logo creator rewamp. CCP, are you going to propose same outdated and restricted logo creation tool to Dust 514 players ??? A new opportunity to change this.

Open invitation to Team Superfriends on this topic Smile
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2012-05-29 13:46:06 UTC
I'm going to have to agree with the nay-sayers here, such a system would be horribly and immediately exploited by the players. We all know it would happen.

And if the art team has so much trouble keeping up with alliance logo submissions already, which are fairly infrequent, how do you think that 20-100x as much volume would work? It wouldn't be pleasant, that's for sure.

The current system might need some tweaking, but custom corp logos are definitely out. Both because they would quickly be used for whatever the most perverted minds on the internet can think up and because it would effectively DDoS the CCP art team (especially the initial wave of submissions).
Oregin
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#9 - 2012-05-29 18:46:04 UTC
With the difficulty and long-windedness of the alliance logo submission then I'd say no to custom corp logos...

However, totally agree that the current system is too limited and just plain boring. I understand the need to control it to a degree to ensure that we don't end up with penises appearing as corp logos but just more options would be great.

Surely it wouldn't take long for an artist to give us more variety in animals/symbols/colours etc.
Aulus Corvus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-29 19:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aulus Corvus
I love how everyone would assume Eve players are perverted Lol Actually, I don't see a problem here. Set up a number of strict rules and if people don't follow them - well, just reject the logos without any explanation. After having their logo rejected a couple times people will either understand a particular logo doesn't fit in the game or get bored sending perverted images. These rules can always be enforced by CCP introducing sanctions for recurrent offenders.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#11 - 2012-05-29 20:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I rather see an addium of 100s of new icons instead and a wider color/pattern selection.

Also art team already swamped with trying to get allaince logos out. I rather art team get done with the V3 project so they can start with the V4 project and project remodel including the star base remake.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-29 20:11:29 UTC
Aulus Corvus wrote:
Kaylen Vimanis wrote:
Not sure if they should do custom ones like alliances have because you could well get a lot of phallic looking ones which cannot be realistically moderated, and we all know eve players would do this.

An updated corp logo system is a good idea and i support this, but i'd imagine this isn't a feature that is as badly needed as say POS mechanics, and corporation management in general.

Though saying that i'm sure updating the logo creation to add more colours complexity, layers and designs would not be too difficult, though that would still make them largely meaningless.


The existing alliance logo submission system already has a pre-moderation stage. This Evelopedia article suggests that all logos are not only moderated, they undergo a revision by Art department. The reason I came up with this idea is because I strongly believe that significant improvements can be made by using already existing procedures. No need for coming up with something new, just apply what you have and voilà - everyone's happy.


I'd rather they use this kind of manpower somewhere that matters. The number of alliances that has logos is nowhere near the number of corps in Eve.
Aulus Corvus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-05-29 21:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aulus Corvus
Nova Fox wrote:
I rather see an addium of 100s of new icons instead and a wider color/pattern selection.

Also art team already swamped with trying to get allaince logos out. I rather art team get done with the V3 project so they can start with the V4 project and project remodel including the star base remake.


I do agree that star base structures need some love. However, this doesn't vitiate the argument that the current logo design tool is simply awful. Upgrading to a player-generated image base instead of stuff introduced by devs is a one-time deal (unlike v3, v4, v-whatever-gets-invented-in-game-industry projects) - once you do so you never have to worry about keeping it up-to-date, the players will always make sure their beloved corp logo looks adequate.

Apart from that, making the choice of any visual that's supposed to represent a person or a group limited is just a wrong thing to do. Imagine you had to choose from 5 types of faces and everyone in your local chat looked the same. Now that wouldn't be fun, would it? If CCP are so concerned about providing choice for individuals, why are they so neglectful of the corporations public image?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#14 - 2012-05-30 00:57:51 UTC
how about for every custom logo introduced to allainces make a generic knock off brand for everyone else to use like razor would have had a generic razor blade given to everyone else.

Test would have several trexes added without the suit.

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Aulus Corvus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-30 11:36:18 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
how about for every custom logo introduced to allainces make a generic knock off brand for everyone else to use like razor would have had a generic razor blade given to everyone else.

Test would have several trexes added without the suit.


Seems like a legit compromise actually.
Naraya Aethera
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-30 11:53:39 UTC
Instead of custom logos for corporations, I'd simply like more choices in the existing setup...particularly along the lines of colors. The color palette is tragically limited. The icon selection could also use some expansion. Having custom logos for corporations would slow the process for alliances. It would also demean the reward of building an alliance big enough to qualify for a custom logo.

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Freya Isyurl
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-30 18:47:35 UTC
I think there are 3 paths to upgrade:
1. Simpliest, upgrade the graphic components in logo generator
2. Make another logo generator. maybe u guy can do a great job, make another photoshop in EVE, idk.
3. Let user upload their logo, considering logo cannot be large, u may even store it as data-URI in the database
Starbuck Arkaral
Carpe Noctem.
#18 - 2012-06-23 00:58:54 UTC
Oregin wrote:
With the difficulty and long-windedness of the alliance logo submission then I'd say no to custom corp logos...

However, totally agree that the current system is too limited and just plain boring. I understand the need to control it to a degree to ensure that we don't end up with penises appearing as corp logos but just more options would be great.

Surely it wouldn't take long for an artist to give us more variety in animals/symbols/colours etc.


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Roy Glies
Richland Centurion
#19 - 2012-08-15 23:10:46 UTC
Just stumbled across this. I really want to make a corporation with a phenomenal moustache-related logo. And I just found out that it's impossible.

This is a travesty.

Seriously, though, shouldn't it take five seconds for a moderator to look over a logo and click "appropriate" or "not appropriate?"

Why not just let people submit small JPGs for corp logos? Maybe attach an AUR or ISK pricetag to having your own logo to generate some CCP revenue and weed out the idiots who would try to make their logos look like genitals or whatever.