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Shadows of the Feceradtion betrays not only their own Empire but the Republic aswell

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Shaardis
Twin Sun Shipping
#61 - 2012-05-24 00:15:41 UTC
Aidari Flamesight wrote:
Just last week I was explaining to some old officer how you could hide a small chemical weapon in the ventilation system of a cruiser.
I hope someone keeps that genius you talked to away from the ammonia and bleach in the cleaning closet if he couldn't already figure that one out on his own.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-05-24 01:15:24 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
But they are credited for their efforts. I am still not sure what you are trying to achieve since the beginning ?


Obviously.

Look lass, I've no intention of going back and forth with you about this. I've explained what I was trying to say as best as I possibly could and you still don't get it. So let's just be content to leave it at a miscommunication and move on.

~Malcolm Khross

Braitai
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-05-25 14:01:03 UTC
I object to the notion that this represents more than an act of betrayal by a single rebel element in the Gallente militia. As a long serving general in the Tribal Liberation Force, I have never, ever, seen a supposed Gallente ally act with such dishonour. This group were not just bound to the TLF by the virtue of having mutual enemies, Late Night Alliance had negotiated friendly standings which apparently meant nothing to them in the end. This standing has been revoked.

To my Gallente brethren, the timing of this treachery is unprecedented, and I empathise with the uncomfortable position SOTF has put you all in. Deal with these scum as you see fit, but If you choose to ignore this incident don't be surprised if the weapons of LNA are trained on them if they choose to cross our paths. This is not a threat, only a warning that fighting side by side with these elements may leave your fleets with less firepower than you had anticipated.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#64 - 2012-05-25 14:52:32 UTC
Braitai wrote:
I object to the notion that this represents more than an act of betrayal by a single rebel element in the Gallente militia. As a long serving general in the Tribal Liberation Force, I have never, ever, seen a supposed Gallente ally act with such dishonour. This group were not just bound to the TLF by the virtue of having mutual enemies, Late Night Alliance had negotiated friendly standings which apparently meant nothing to them in the end. This standing has been revoked.

To my Gallente brethren, the timing of this treachery is unprecedented, and I empathise with the uncomfortable position SOTF has put you all in. Deal with these scum as you see fit, but If you choose to ignore this incident don't be surprised if the weapons of LNA are trained on them if they choose to cross our paths. This is not a threat, only a warning that fighting side by side with these elements may leave your fleets with less firepower than you had anticipated.


The actions of SoTF in no way are representative of other alliances and or corporations within the Gallente militia.

What we did was the decision of our alliance and our alliance alone.

WBR are longstanding friends of ours and we have participated in many joint operations together, what friends would we be if we sat back and let there home system be taken?

We would do exactly the same again if the situaton called for it.

Also we tried to broker a peaceful end to the situation that unfortunately did not work out.

But you seem to be threatening to shoot anyone that is fleeted with us can you confirm that this the case?
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-05-25 15:10:31 UTC
A traitor who betrays an ally for the sake of a friend is still a traitor.

There is no honor in what you have done and those who accept it share in your treachery and dishonor.

I will personally be willing to fly beside anyone that turns their guns to your hulls and burns your treasonous filth from the stars.

~Malcolm Khross

Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#66 - 2012-05-25 15:22:12 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
A traitor who betrays an ally for the sake of a friend is still a traitor.

There is no honor in what you have done and those who accept it share in your treachery and dishonor.

I will personally be willing to fly beside anyone that turns their guns to your hulls and burns your treasonous filth from the stars.


Fly beside anyone, but not do it yourself? very brave of you.

We live in Nisuwa by the way, if you want to come burn us filth from the stars Malcolm.
Braitai
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-05-25 15:25:28 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
But you seem to be threatening to shoot anyone that is fleeted with us can you confirm that this the case?


Learn to read, fool, I said nothing of the sort.

You aided the enemies of an alliance to which you considered friendly. I do not begrudge anyone who wishes to defend their friends, even if they are Amarr slavers. But If you had wished to avoid this diplomatic fallout, a much more advanced warning of your actions would have been the correct course of action.

A peace treaty between the slavers and the freedom fighters of the TLF was never going to be an option, you were our enemy the moment you chose to help them. This conflict was unavoidable, and if if it were not for your corporation's standing both in the FDU and specifically with the LNA it would not have been treated with such contempt.

Your ships are the only ones in the FDU which are potential targets for the LNA. If other members of the FDU choose to defend you, they may be fired upon as well, but only in self defense. Given my experience fighting along side the more honorable Gallente pilots I doubt that will be a problem. There is no official policy however, If our pilots choose to shoot you or not is up to them at this point. My advise would be to stay on your toes.

I'm not going to waste any more time attempting to communicate with someone who displays such astounding lack of reading comprehension as you have, do not expect any further replies to your idiotic inquiries.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-05-25 15:27:04 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:
A traitor who betrays an ally for the sake of a friend is still a traitor.

There is no honor in what you have done and those who accept it share in your treachery and dishonor.

I will personally be willing to fly beside anyone that turns their guns to your hulls and burns your treasonous filth from the stars.


Fly beside anyone, but not do it yourself? very brave of you.

We live in Nisuwa by the way, if you want to come burn us filth from the stars Malcolm.


You mistake courage with foolishness. The Honor Guard does not have the resources or personnel to wage full out war against an alliance and its allies, attempting to do so would be the epitome of foolishness and suggesting that a single pilot would fare any better is outright idiocy.

However, if enough pilots pledge to do the same and work in coordination, then the numbers needed to combat an alliance may exist and in that case, I will contribute to those numbers when and how I am able.

Nice attempt at playing to my pride though, I'll give you credit for the effort.

~Malcolm Khross

Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#69 - 2012-05-25 15:41:30 UTC
And i'm sure the Gallente Federation are very unhappy with us continually providing fleets to attack and defend Caldari and our own systems, losing our own assets and people in the process.

I'm sure they are unhappy with us owning one of the most forward Caldari systems in Black Rise and having done so for the last god knows how long.

I'm sure they are unhappy with us for stopping dead in its tracks a last Caldari onlsought to retake systems, with us providing FCs for days on end and the fleets to make sure that the Caldari dont retake any systems.

I'm sure that other Gallente corps who call other systems there home are unhappy with us helping them keep these systems.

Are we perfect? no.

Was this an ideal situation? no.

As a corporation / Alliance have we had any assistance from the majority of minmatar corps? no. (other fdu organisations may have, i am not speaking about them).

Have we had assistance from WBR. yes. We jointly killed one of the most powerful alliance in Eve's Titan in there own back yard yet all we got from the a lot of minmatar was abuse that we didnt involve you. Seems that you are very quick to critisize.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#70 - 2012-05-25 18:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
Our alliance too has interacted with SOTF, both with negotiated positive standings but also more recently suffering from unprovoked attacks from their pilots.

From my perspective it appears that SOTF act on a whim, working to gain trust only to betray it a moment later, disregarding established allies in favour of personal objectives regardless of perceived allegiances, content to join forces with supposed foes giving others pause for thought as to whose side they are on, if anyones but their own.

Gallactica has kindly provided us with a number of examples where his corporation's actions have caused disquiet amongst both friends and foes and no doubt with little effort this catalogue of bridge burning exercises could be extended much much further.

New Eden is famously a universe of consequences and SOTF's actions have led former allies to speak out in condemnation and their words find support from Federation, Republic and State quarters. There has clearly been a growing, unspoken consensus regarding SOTF and now that consensus has been given a voice.

Gallactica wrote:
Seems that you are very quick to critisize.

I disagree. What we see here is criticism, valid criticism a long time coming.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#71 - 2012-05-25 19:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallactica
You still havnt commented on the massive amount of work we do within the Gallente federation capturing and saving systems.

I've put out an olive branch on god knows how many occasions to the minmatar (ask amymuffmuff) and its always been met with negativity and you wonder why we stick by our real friends.

If we are the bad guys for this then so be it, but instead if all this hot air, do something about it.

All I see is a lot of bravado from a lot of people who are utterly irrelevant and other than talk a lot of crap contribute absolutely zero to anything that goes on.

Oh and at the originator of this subject, at least have the common decency to spell our corporation name right and you might want to change it our alliance as well.
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#72 - 2012-05-25 20:51:28 UTC
It is easy to stand in a crowd, point fingers and cry foul.

Courage is standing against the crowd and sticking to ones beliefs. A diplomatic solution was attempted, it failed, but at least Gallactica on behalf of SOTF tried the diplomatic route.

Gallactica is a man of honour and integrity, no matter how anyone tries to twist the truths to say otherwise.

Fear not Gallactica, you do not stand alone.

- Capitol One
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#73 - 2012-05-25 21:14:04 UTC
I hear a lot of talk, but in all reality, I dont see anyone with the guts to do much about it, sure the minmatar might fight, but they were already fighting wbr at least. So the way i see it, if you have an issue put up or shut HP, these are capsuleers thier loyalty is thier own.
Braitai
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-05-26 00:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Braitai
Capitol One wrote:
It is easy to stand in a crowd, point fingers and cry foul.

Courage is standing against the crowd and sticking to ones beliefs. A diplomatic solution was attempted, it failed, but at least Gallactica on behalf of SOTF tried the diplomatic route.

Gallactica is a man of honour and integrity, no matter how anyone tries to twist the truths to say otherwise.

Fear not Gallactica, you do not stand alone.

- Capitol One


Wolfsbrigade's combat capability went up in my estimation as a result of the fighting over the last month. You fought honorably, and I have no qualms with the fact that you enlisted such a wide variety of allies, I would have done the same to protect my home.

However, appearing on the day of a major offensive, ready to help our enemies, when we had also considered this entity to be at least a friend, could not ever be considered to be an honorable act.

Both yourself and Galactica are fools to think that a diplomatic "solution" was ever possible. Such a suggestion is either a deliberate act of subterfuge to divert attention away from their actions in a desperate attempt to secure the moral high-ground, the result of a terminal lack of understanding of the nature of the Amarrian-Minmatar war-front, or the product of a serious mental disorder.

I only hope that behind closed doors you are acknowledging both what the fault was, and where it lies. Fighting honorably and defending your home and your friends isn't the issue, pretending to be something that you are not is.