EVE General Discussion

Actually, CCP made the experience that people are still complaining about it because the functionality is still lost.

There's also quite a huge difference in how much functionality is lost between the two — inventory management affects pretty much everything in EVE that isn't just communication (which, incidentally, is what the loss of functionality in the neocom covers). The way they've crippled the inventory management isn't really something you get used to… or well, it's the kind of thing you get used to in the same way as you get used to having lost both feet.

No. That will all depend on how much functionality they ditch in the process.

Funny that you should mention that, since one of the main outcomes of the Incarna débâcle was that they had to reimplement the old UI and live with the idea of maintaining both it and the CQ…

Incarna showed that there is absolutely value in telling CCP that their assumptions are flawed and that they need to go back to the drawing-board to give us back parts of the UI that they wanted to remove. There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't maintain the old functionality in the new system, and there are plenty of reasons why dumping functionality is a bad thing that will cost you more than trying to keep it.

So you're saying that the EVE developers should develop a game that makes everyone happy? Options can be setup so everyone can play the way they want? That works for little things like Walking in Station vs Ship Spinning, and possibly even New vs Old Inventory UI, but where do you draw the line? Do you let carebears turn on an option so they can't be suicide ganked? Do implement a system to can flipping or ninja looting? Do you put rules in place to prevent contract scamming? Add swords and magic for those who'd rather play in a fantasy world?

I think you see where I'm going with this. It's just not possible to make everybody happy. The best CCP can do is implement their vision of a space simulator, and let players in. Players then decide whether or not they want to play in the world CCP has created.




Are you actually claiming that the change in the Inventory UI has made EVE unplayable for you? Seriously?

Yeah, that's gameplay you're talking about, not interface design. Two sliiiiightly different things.

Yes, providing people with the options to customise their UI to their preference is the right thing to do.
No, providing people with the options to customise their rule-set doesn't make sense.
They're not the same thing.

This isn't about the world, though, and the best CCP can do is listen to how the players want to interface with that world. Dropping functionality for no good reason does not qualify.

Since you're prone to hyperbole, try this one on for size: in Inferno 1.5, they are removing all graphics for a purely sound-based game. Is that still CCP doing the best they can do?

Adapt or biomass...

You like arguing, don't you? "Bot programmers will fix the bots in a few days" is a fact.

Suggesting that our dear OP is a botter is just trolling.



Botters have a clear motivation to cause a shitstorm over this UI change. Unlike for us, the players, EVE really is broken for them. Their revenue-creating programs don't work, until their bots are fixed. These people undoubtedly masquerade here as butthurt players and aim to fuel the fire. They are not interested in CCP or playerbase, other than as a means of low-effort extra income.

Second group are players who really resist change, have difficulties in adapting, and just aren't very good with computers. When you combine this with serious entitlement delusions, inability to express opinions in a mature manner and internet anonymity, a rage of shitpoasting ensues. Their concerns, however, are legit, CCP could have at least released some videos on how to use the new UI, implemented tool-tip help or whatever is normally done to help people adapt, standard change management.

Third group, a minority among the whiners, are people who reveal bugs and inconsistencies in the UI and report them back to CCP. Why these were not handled properly before release is beyond us all, probably has a lot to do with Jon Lander and Inferno being his first expansion, ie. hammering things through for personal/career/ego/position reasons. Some of these, you included/especially, are opinion leaders. Many people follow them, and form their opinions based on the example shown by respected community members.

Fourth, and by far the largest group, are players who are indifferent to inventory interface changes or adapted to it at first sight. For them, or us, this forum rage is ridiculous, inflammatory to our gaming experience and when it reaches a point where reasoning with whiners becomes impossible, resort to trolling.

Take care.

I'm just too worn out from trying to do anything anymore about this once great game.

Keep up the good fight.

…and saying that people only complain because their bots stopped working isn't — it's just blatant idiocy.

“Unlike”? It's quite broken for us as well, you know — the “unlike for us” part is that they will have their issues fixed in short order, unlike us who have to live with this awful mess. It doesn't particularly matter what other groups agree or why — the simple fact remains that a fuckton of functionality was lost in the implementation of the new UI (and that's before counting the bugs and the performance issues).

…hence “blatant idiocy”. Here's why it's impossible to reason with them: because they're right and they know it. Reasoning with them is impossible because you're trying to convince them that the sky is pink-on-green polka-dot. You're arguing against reality. That doesn't make the people who are trying to “reason” with them trolls so much as late-term BSE victims.

Stick your head in a mulcher.

There you go. Much better.

The promise of an improved inventory management system. It will remain broken until the lost functionality is fully restored.

Also, the promise to listen to their customers. If they did, the UI wouldn't have been released before it was finished.

It's the whole "calling out" part that I don't agree with. It's CCP's software, they have their reasons which don't really interest me that much, I'm just a customer and not a shareholder.

If I go to a restaurant and get ****** food, I don't start screaming in front of other customers about it. I might choose another restaurant next time, probably not if I like the place.

If there's a long queue in the market, I don't feel I have the right to start yelling at the stressed clerk about it. I might choose another market next time, or come at another time.

If CCP introduces some stuff that I think is broken, I write it in the appropriate thread, and work around it until they fix it.

Adapting is always the path of least resistance, changing others by force almost never works, but is likely to cause a lot of damage.

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