Jita Park Speakers Corner

Your right more needs to be done to make Null a Hard exciting place but local is a good start.

So don't Dscan it will make it alot more fun for roving gangs and eve is like a vacuum if the mission runners and other Null carebears move out something interesting might happen and you might have alot more warfare in Null as new groups of harder players move in. You keep stating that null is dangerous then suggest that if it actually got dangerous people would move to the next safe profitable place...Hi-sec. Just admit that even you believe the reward is too high for how safe null has become.

This was asked before please feel free to read the whole post.

Its a bit of a circular argument, years ago you guys conquered some null sec, due to the time you are there and the changes made over the years you are now exceptionally rich. Because you can pay you should there fore be able to be safe to make more wealth.

I know I can make no argument to change your mind that Null sec is now a boring drag on the whole of EVE and you guys should really shouldn't talk about how tough you are. The fact you can abandon your space safely to burn Jita is not indication enough that some changes need to be made, nothing will ever change your mind. You guys are really worse carebears than the Hi-sec miners you mentioned.

How about you fly a 300+ million isk worth officer fitted hulk that is required to solo tank the rats in a mining belt in null, does risking that take balls? Will concord show up to avenge your death, No, they won't. Maybe you could explain how it's harder to use the d-scan in high, putting agility rigs on and be prepared to warp out at a moments notice. Maybe you can explain how in null, a logofski dictor or hictor in a belt can ruin your day. Explain to me how being in null even allows you to dock up whenever something bad shows up in local. Guess what, You just got dragged into a dictor bubble, goodbye ship.

After you've mined your stuff, guess where you have to take it for most of it to sell? That's right! Is this journey not dangarous or expensive? Mhmm?

These Occurrences where Hi-sec is more dangerous have happened. But were these events without major losses to the aggressors? Did they not infact mostly lose more than they actually gained in terms of actual value destroyed? Did the miners that got blown to bits take any extra measures to ensure their safety? Did the industrialists not notice the gigantic amount of chat in local, the forum talk, nor recieve any warning before undocking that 90 Billion isk loaded charon?

Burn jita was a controlled calculation, billions of isk of value was removed from the hands of the goons and their allies, yet you feel that because they can afford to waste money because no one wants to fight them seriously, they should have lost their space?

They had the tools that null has, yet guess what, they didn't use them and they died in the process. That's not an imbalance of risk and reward, that's a group of people being idiots and not paying attention.

High sec is supposed to be SAFER, not safe. And null is in general a lot more dangarous than high and even low. If you fly around in a bc or a bs in highsec, how exactly are you going to get blown up unless A: You're carrying something absolutely stupid like a hold filled with tech 2 implants and autopilot. B: You're at war with someone. C: You're an idiot and you give your attacker a free killright.

In low, guess what the gates and stations have? Guns, Shiney shiney turret guns. Agressing someone first on a low gate when they're in something big and you're not, is complete and utter suicide unless you know exactly what you're doing.

In sov owned null however: There is no concord, no sec loss, no gate or station guns that will shoot at you for shooting other players, no protection is given by any sort of npc entity and no penalties are applied. You can shoot whomever you want and suffer no repercussions from the game's mechanics.

Then there's the actual fleet pvp, which does occur on an almost daily basis, in which case battles are fought, and value is lost. Is that how it is in high? I didn't think so.

What exactly would getting rid of local actually accomplish? Explain that to me.


Wait, You're just complaining that because sov holders have spent YEARS of labor to take and keep their sov, to make that money, to set up their structures, their rules, navigate through the politics that exist, and make a decent profit out of it dispite it being one of the BIGGIST ISK SINKS IN THE GAME.

If you were able to gather together roughly 3000 people into one alliance and then started taking sov, you'd notice how much work it is making all the wheels run. That is the reward for hard labor.

Also, Probably the main reason that they weren't attacked, is because they made sure to wrap things up with other alliances beforehand, and even if they were attacked, there is a magical thing called jump clones and pod jumping. They weren't attacked because they were safe, there's just no one that dares to do it, and since you don't want to risk trying to do something about it, just like the goons did with band of brothers, means that it's fine to just say that null is safe, and that ccp should nerf it?

And guess what, even the goons themselves have pushed for nerfing certain aspects about null, such as the tech moons, which did happen.

What you seem to want is for null to be a hellish landscape where finding others is like finding a needle in a haystack, you lose billions of isk everyday holding sov, and for null alliances to have the slightest chance of survival, they need to be ratting in high 10 hours a day to be able to pay the sov bills with no real benefit from having to sit and shot structures for months in a row.

Oh one more thing good to see if you cant win an argument you guys still war dec

Null is too safe? Guess where the majority of the games populance is? Exactly. Why do they prefer to stay there instead of the supposed safe null? Exactly.

Carry on, Nothing worth noting in this thread except for actual suggestions as to how one could change null.

A really boring Null sec that needs changes to make it more Dynamic?

So explain it in detail for me as you seem to believe you know whats going on.

So you believe the entire Sov system is flawed...So whats your plan scrap the lot?