EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

banning both teams for f*cked up AT IX finals is a proper decision.
props CCP

From someone who has watched every match from last year at least 6 times and gone over the killboards for most of them, I concur that for the purposes of blatantly stealing your setups you are one team.

We have stolen/analyzed pretty much every setup/match you have fielded/been in./. There are really no differences between the two teams. You did that Vindicator thing at the end almost as comedy. My complements on your metagaming, it was almost "as you say" too good.

My only comment is that if you would have bashed each others faces in and the winners made hip thrusting motions at the crowd of fans, then you are providing the sort of online tournament entertainment that people expect.

When you stop shooting half way through a match in the finals in a Starcraft Tournament... well I think you see my point.

pandemic legion or pandemic legion ?

or maybe pandemic legion?


so entertaining

I dont know if you watched last years AT9, but i dont think i even saw a close fight in it.. Unlike previous ones with a couple of ships at the end pumping away.. none of that..

AT9 was the worst one yet :(

Have a look at last years final. I think you'll agree neither team looks particularly good at pvp, let alone the best.

I suppose you could call last years final interesting, but I think it's a different kind of interesting, possibly involving some pvp, which people are looking for from the tourney.

And there I was thinking they wanted to make ATX more interesting.

Only achievement: More drama and more selling out.
Just quit with the crap called AT.

You ****** up when you let metagaming to to where it is now and you laugh about it, but as soon as it doesn't suit your arses you start to become Nay sayers.

You brought all the crap on yourselves CCP. Your ignorance knows no boundries.

Hydra get's told by one GM they can train together as one entity and as soon as they do you take out another rule and just blatantly ignore the GM's reply to it so you eventually can get your revenge for AT9.

But that what happened at AT9 was a product of your own baby is just another thing you just ignore.
It is you who allow even worse metagaming for everything else and then expect people to behave within narrow boundries for 1 event.

No CCP. you ****** up and you don't even have the balls nor the common sense to admit it.

so u say that CCP accidentally kicked only alliances that took AT10 seriously ? :333333

thats nice

This quote indeed sums it up - it was noted, though, already on the first page:

I do not have first hand information what has actually happened and done, so I have to rely on information provided by both Hydra and Outbreak and of course CCP Sreegs.

As confirmed by CCP, one of the Senior Game Masters replied to petition asking how both Hydra/Outbreak could train together on test server. Later this was said being a mistake by Game Master team and being investigated

Thus Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak started to train with the best knowledge they had on the rules. Unless there are other evidence that both Hydra Reloaded team and Outbreak teams have broken any other rules, in my opinion the flawed answer of the game master mislead the leaders of both teams to assume they were safe to train as they were planning to do.

Lack of proper communication has always been the greatest sin of CCP. In this, case it caused removal of two teams that had tried to contact CCP without any clear answer. In this case, there should have been action first to clear out the flawed answer provided by Senior GM and let Hydra and Outbreak make new training method to allow them continue to train in allowed way. Straight removal of team because of mistake done by Game Master is wrong.

In support of Leeloo Malaquin and Hydra Reloaded
Nik Domar
AV/Stealth Wear Inc.
Fanfest 2012 PvP Tournament winner with Team Hydra Reloaded. "The hobo"

Leeloo, I definitely sympathize with what you're feeling. If I was disqualified for the tournament with everything I put into it I would probably feel the same way.
I really enjoyed talking to you and Haart about the tournament at Fanfest.

And I'll make it clear I was one of Hydra's biggest supporters after the final last year. Last year you guys broke no rules and you did amazing work getting to the finals. When you were there you tried something very unwise and messed up, but I believe that you intended the match to be entertaining.

But when I saw that you guys had moved 0utbreak into Genos on sisi while keeping them seperate on TQ I was really confused. It seemed an incredibly bad move to me considering how easy it would be for CCP to notice how close you were working together. You guys had to know that you'd be watched since they obviously made the B team rule in response to the final.

When I saw you join the same corp I never seriously considered the idea that it would be allowed. My first thought was "That's really stupid of them, they're either gonna get 0utbreak banned and half their guys won't be able to fly in the matches, or they're all gonna get banned outright".

CCP really needed to do better with the communication on this, I think everyone agrees on that. Communication was really bad here and need to be improved in the future. The main reason I bugged Loxy for a public channel for requests instead of just using the email he used to contact me as a commentator was that I was hoping they would let you know how stupid what you were doing was and prevent this.
But I have a really hard time understanding why you guys thought both teams would ever be allowed while you test with each other so closely.

I understand if you're turned off from the game at the moment and can't even consider this right now, but I hope that by the next tournament you guys come back, merge the teams for real and enter again so we can see you defend your title on the field.