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You still going to play Eve?

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Large Marg
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-25 02:39:31 UTC
With the Euro getting its junk pounded. European businesses getting beat into submission, and a big push for internet ID, are you still going to be able to play Eve or want to play Eve?
The storm is coming....

http://current.com/community/93784918_bilderberg-demands-internet-id-for-all-eu-citizens.htm?xid=RSSfeed
If you do not know who the Builderburg group is, you should.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18186972

Feels like Dune a bit, but instead of spice its the internet.
Who ever controls the internet, controls the world.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2 - 2012-05-25 02:41:25 UTC
Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.

Worst case, we go back to how it was before the internet was so easily navigable, with everyone learning stacks of IPs to manually connect to.
Torneach
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-25 02:47:12 UTC
This is what happens when people forget that liberty is worth infinitely more than security.
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-25 03:14:28 UTC
I wonder what the world would be like if the 'net went bye bye. I remember what it was like before the 'net, wasn't much different than now tbh.
People talk about the good old days etc etc - they weren't That good. I guess hindsight wears rose coloured glasses with it's 20/20 vision.

Anyway on to a saying I created (yes, really): "Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up".

Arrow
Hypatia Alexandria
Misfortune of Virtue
#5 - 2012-05-25 03:17:04 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
"Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up".

Arrow


nice.
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-25 03:17:18 UTC
warning old men
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-25 03:42:56 UTC
it's good to live in last free countries these days....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-25 05:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: leviticus ander
Corina Jarr wrote:
Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.

Worst case, we go back to how it was before the internet was so easily navigable, with everyone learning stacks of IPs to manually connect to.

well even the 13 root DNS servers (the servers that are essentially the core of the internet) are run by 13 different companies around the world (I know a bunch of them are in the US, but still). meaning that even if one person tries to take control, they will at most be able to get a few of the servers, those servers will be cut from the replication lists and replaced with different servers

basically, at this point, the internet is too well built up to be brought down by anyone, even Europe all co-operating and working together couldn't take down the internet, they could only filter traffic going to their respective top level domains. I think it would take a collaboration between north America, Europe, and most of Asia to actually significantly hit the internet. and even then, people would just put up their own versions of the root servers and continue with business as usual.

put it this way, after about 3-6 months of training in the general IT field, I probably could have put up a DNS server to fulfil the needs of a root server, it might not have the uptime or be able to handle the throughput, but that's just a matter of how much money you can throw at the problem for the most part.

also, to those of you that are worried about the 13 servers running the internet possibly being taken down, I should note that they are actually clusters of servers a bit like what eve runs on, so one phisical server could go down, but the entire cluster would continue more or less unaffected. as well as these servers being run by different companies in different countries means that there's different security protocols in place to keep them secure.

to give an idea of the durability of this system, there was an attack on it a few years back where it's estimated that tens of millions of infected computers were used in a well planned attack on these servers, 11 of the 13 went down, and there was no noticeable impact on he user end of things. and even if they had managed to take down all 13 servers, they would have had to have kept the servers down for anywhere from 2 days to a week (these attacks managed to take them down for about 10 minutes) in order for any significant number of people to even notice some thing's happening. this is all thanks to the proper design and configuration of the servers and the services that use them.
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#9 - 2012-05-25 05:35:10 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
I wonder what the world would be like if the 'net went bye bye. I remember what it was like before the 'net, wasn't much different than now tbh.
yes, it was.
Gealbhan wrote:
People talk about the good old days etc etc - they weren't That good. I guess hindsight wears rose coloured glasses with it's 20/20 vision.
which people are longing for a bygone age before the internet? the other pensioners?
Gealbhan wrote:
IAnyway on to a saying I created (yes, really): "Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up".Arrow
wait, you think people would doubt you made that up? seriously? hopefully you're putting together a coffee table edition of your collected wisdom?
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#10 - 2012-05-25 06:38:10 UTC
The internet as designed routes around damage automatically. Anyone takes control of a segment and shuts it down then the network will mark that section as damaged and move on until it is fixed. I will be unhappy if i can't reach my most favorite of games tho

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#11 - 2012-05-25 06:41:02 UTC
Mission/Mine/Pirate/Scam and buy plexes ingame. Cant believe a lot of people dont do this.
Forum Burn
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-25 07:03:16 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
"Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up".

Arrow


Perhaps if you have a troublesome past, mine is more like a spilt bag of marshmallows :)

The end of the illusion of freedom is nigh, within the next 50 years the whole human race will be enslaved with around 80-90% of the current population gone, Bilderberg are a big fan of this and fund allot of think tanks and influence agencys to make sure this will happen. See you on the battlefield o7
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-05-25 07:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Corina Jarr wrote:
Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.

Worst case, we go back to how it was before the internet was so easily navigable, with everyone learning stacks of IPs to manually connect to.

to control the internet you just have to control the network infrastructure - that's mostly phone lines and some fiber.

any alternatives (fidonet anyone?) tend to use the same infrastructure (phone lines) and can be controlled just as easily.

so unless you want to move to some sort of massive amateur radio mesh network, you can't really evade government control/intrusion.

.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-25 07:08:24 UTC
I hated the good old days before the internet. There is no way im going back to singing songs with the family around the Piano for entertainment
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-05-25 07:25:18 UTC
Large Marg wrote:
With the Euro getting its junk pounded. European businesses getting beat into submission, and a big push for internet ID, are you still going to be able to play Eve or want to play Eve?
The storm is coming....

http://current.com/community/93784918_bilderberg-demands-internet-id-for-all-eu-citizens.htm?xid=RSSfeed
If you do not know who the Builderburg group is, you should.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18186972

Feels like Dune a bit, but instead of spice its the internet.
Who ever controls the internet, controls the world.



How would this stop us playing EVE?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-05-25 07:31:19 UTC
I remember when all this will be again.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Chunicha
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-05-25 07:35:32 UTC
Its ok guys, this is all part of the plan. I was watching the history channel and learned that apparently our entirety of human accomplishments are all resulting from the work of secret natzi space alien UFOs from the future. So you don't have to worry, you never had any control over anything anyways.
ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#18 - 2012-05-25 09:19:16 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.
China, Australia .. you are clueless.
Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#19 - 2012-05-25 09:22:57 UTC
WTS : Tin foil and hat BPO's Roll
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#20 - 2012-05-25 09:27:46 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:

basically, at this point, the internet is too well built up to be brought down by anyone, even Europe all co-operating and working together couldn't take down the internet,


Stopped reading here.

Europe and co-operating is a strong oxymoron.
We can't even co-operate at deciding if chocolate is made of chocolate or other assorted brown junk.

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