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Hello everyone

I'm thinking of buying and using my own POS in HISEC, But problem is there is enough people that will try wardec me
and steal stuff from my POS, so I am turning to you for help regarding POS defense

I learn about defense modules, ewar modules, shield hardeners, but all that is too much to put on one POS so I'm asking
advice which guns to put, small, med, big, what are best option, that dont cost too much at the end.

My current setup would be ATM for one spot, on one side of POS e.g. UP ( at the top)
(pos is minnie Large, and guns too all minmatar)

2 large ac - offline
4 Med ac - 2 on 2 off
4 small ac- 2 on 2 off

Warp scrambling battery
Web battery
Energy neut battery -offf
Sensor dampening battery

So please comment, give me advice, suggestions, better setups

Thank you

i can give you a few tips actualy;


do whatever you want with your pos without defences

when you do get wardeced :
online

a mix of medium arties, medium autocannons (don't bother with large guns- they are only usefull for shooting capital ships)

add minimu 30 ish ecm mods
add 2-3 webs
4 disruptor mods
4 scrams

add a neut if you feel like it..
( link for more info on fitting provided later)

But when you are login off - online hardeners to fill up the shield resist holes - so it will take them longer to do anything to the pos shield!

However the biggest thing you need is: pos gunners ( without you controlling the guns, your poss will cycle through their ships randomly making it easy for their logies to rep without any issue.)

if you have 2-3 accounts, make sure you have a toon that sits near your pos all the time
NOTHING you fit will stop a decent poskiller gang - it may slow them down ( hardeners, ecm and neuts) but if they are given time they will finish the job without losing a single ship.

if you have 2 pos gunners with 4-5 controlled mods you can try and instavolley (medium arty ftw) their ships one by one! or ecm out their logistics and let the guns cycle through their ships hoping they'll bleed out - flee....


And last...
Make sure you have 100 (yes that much) extra mods ready to replace anything they take out - warpdistruptors are gonig get reinforced asfast as they can manage - to make sure they can retreat whenever they need or when they want to reposition for the next batch of modules around your pos. Don't be afraid to put extra offlined guns (with ammo) on the tower! IF you lose one
you can online the backups and keep the hurt on the attackers.

So just make sure you have people around your pos to defend it and if possible have people who know how to work posgun/mods to maximize the carnage a deathstar pos can do!

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=817184
read this^^
and again, having pos gunners allows you to adjust to what is attacking you



ohyah...
my experience with towers: We ran a domination large for years and had to defend it a few times, every time we had pos gunners around it took about 2 minutes for the agressors to drop the wardec and trow a GF in local, because they saw we had an active corp/tower and without a 100man bs gang they wouldn't stand a chance to break the tower without taking more losses then the tower loot would be worth.
(insta popping bses with 15 medium arties was awesome! - took 4 posgunners)

We however lost it because we had a corporation meet in Vegas and nobody was on for 3 days to defend the thing.. I do call spai action on that one. In the end, everything i can't share about 'what happend in vegas' was damn worth the tower :D

Reading... Thank you on info, I'll send you evemail if i dont understand something

in hisec? whuuuaaa?

Large pos? drop hardeners. lots of hardeners. stored anchored and offline. everything else should be packed and stored in a hanger at the first sign of a wardec. hell you could drop your whole tower into the station in a wardec. (if you don't want it to be vulnerable while its unanchoring, use the tons of hardeners approach. "Dickstar".

If you know that you personally are going to be the main target (you and your stuff) make an alt corp. buy standings and operate it completely off grid as it were from your main activities.

also in hisec, small weapons are good , they use medium ammos, and hit everythign pretty hard, mediums too. you dont want to use large weapons in hsiec as those are mainly used for shooting dreads. they dont work as well on bc or bs.
Ewar, a few jammers, and webs/scrams and you can make a proper deathstar if you want, id say though that 100 extra mods is a bit much. it will however make pretty much everyone look for easier targets.

Ive had a large and a medium tower sitting in hisec for about two years now and havent had any problems. if you know you have an enemy that wants your stuff dead, use the alt tower.

Because there really isnt any material gain from killing hisec towers, people generally dont wardec for moons. the tons of offline dead corp towers sitting in space is testament to that. I keep two hardners online at my pos (since the fuel changes, before they were offline) but because of their locations, i havent had any problems.

If you've ever seiged a tower in lowsec, you know you really don't want to do it in hisec. Just not enough gain.
But if its a vendetta that too is easy enough to get around

I just want to sum some thing up here:

1) why not offline a tower when at war?
-> you can't always shut your activities down in the 24hr window
-> you dont know if they are actualy going to try and kill your tower
-> in some cases your corp will not have the standing to put the tower back up
-> if they're out to get your tower, it's mostlikely for the moon -> ninja tower anchoring has happend before
-> if they're out to get your tower and you online another tower in another corp they will dec your new corp and you now have to swap the tower again...

my tip: make sure they know you are able to defend your assets and they'll go for an easier target, if they still go for your tower make sure you dont go down without a fight ( be active and capable, use eve-gate to keep an eye on notifications)

2) dickstars
-> in some annoying way they can work great. However there are ways around full ecm decked towers, its called drones + assigning
-> if your tower isn't going to deal damage your attackers have nothing to worry about, and they can warp in and out when they want
-> like i said before have over 100 mods extra in store to online if you need to replace ecm mods - scrams/webs - gun

3) loging off

--> ALWAYS online hardners(during war) , because yes it will slow your attackers down ( which i mentioned earlier) - but you do need guns and other goodies to scare them off when you log in


Ohyah, my 2th wardec i logged in and saw a bunch of pos mails, beeing attacked and all... i then noticed they had 10 bses smartbombing with neutral RR.
So after swapping some guns around, i ended up instavolleying bses with 12 medium arties :D they ran and let 3 guys behind because of warpdisrupt batteries

I love people trying to kill ma tower ^^ (when i'm able to actively defend it)

There's a few corp-hopping alts working in Caldari space (for example) that wardec people with small towers, and bring in their BS lazor boats on six or seven alts. If you keep a small or medium tower up with limited defenses you're just going to lose it.

You are wrong.

You can (only) attack war targets in hisec with POS defenses.

1) this will take time, yes AND you will lose your production materials if you unanchor your arrays - and will need new standing to online the tower again. SO this is not always the best option

2) IF you want to scare people of, follow some of the "dickstar" suggestions, Anchor ALOT of hardeners, so pos scouters will go.. **** this ****- he's just going to online hardeners... -> this also will give you time to come online while they are shooting your tower and actualy defend it before it goes into reinforce/pops.

Alot of ecm will also scare away most people, because it is annoying it might make them go for the easier targets on their list instead.

Also consider: the more mods you put on your tower, the more money your attacks can loot. So don't go and buy faction pos mods because that will actualy make you a bigger target ;)

As of "target" - the chances of you beeing attacked also increases if your pos is in a good location, such as 2,3 or 4 jumps from jita... Some people would pay good money for such a location as it reduces their freighter jumps and faster material acces.

just saying...

Random thoughts:

* The first line of defense of a POS setup is to be a deterrent, because anybody not deterred is probably determined enough to reinforce the tower and come back later to destroy it. An initial visceral reaction of "no frackin' way do I want to bother shooting at that for hours" is what you want to aim for.

* The second line of defense is to make it take so long that some gunners will login before reinforcement. A few organized gunners can make quite a mess of an attacking hisec fleet if there are any turrets that can be onlined. Gunners are rare. Online gunners are even more rare.

* The third line of defense for the POS is to act as support for even a small fleet to counter-attack. Why fit a warp disruptor to your ships when you can have a gunner do that from 75 km to 150 km!

* POS gunners are not subject to the 249 km target lock hard limit of ships. POS gunners can lock any target on grid. Not every pilot realizes this, and they are often surprised to find themselves in a pod as a result (typically screaming "EXPLOIT!"). POS turrets redefine the meaning of sniping.

* It is useless to try to lock a pod with a POS, unless the pilot is stupid or AFK.

* A POS gunner can be far more annoying than any Recon. Imagine a max skill Falcon with 200 km ECM optimal and millions of HP. Then consider 1000 GJ neuts with 250 km range and 150 km webs.

* It is trivial to anchor (5 seconds) and online more EWAR from the safety of the force field while under attack, but anchoring turrets is more difficult as they need to be filled with ammo.

* Stationary targets probably won't react well to large artillery firing faction XL phased plasma (1320 rounds per turret for about 11 hours of continuous fire). Fun for gunners of all ages.

* Smartbombs work in hisec. Both against you (a poorly setup POS with clustered defenses), and for you (a clustered fleet of attackers - there is no penalty for podding war targets). If you are smartbombing attackers with a Scorpion, you might as well as fit an ECM Burst which gets a range bonus.