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How about those fuel prices, eh?
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#1 - 2012-05-25 04:34:37 UTC
Sheesh!

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Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#2 - 2012-05-25 05:32:39 UTC
i am actually training a couple alts to go out and ice mine......

a very saaaaaaaaaaaaaad panda here Sad
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#3 - 2012-05-25 05:39:05 UTC
I'm sharpening my knives at the prospect of more de-fuelled POSs in w-space.

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Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#4 - 2012-05-25 05:44:46 UTC
you know......i keep hearing all that juicy stories.....

and i've only ran across 2 towers myself.....1 spat a drake...ugh

other did spit a rapier and a basi for myself.....

guess just poor luck on my part
Biff Rodgers
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-25 05:51:21 UTC
I've been out of the loop on the fuel price front. I usualy buy 6 or 12 months worth in one go. I'm getting down to 2 or 3 months left and need to do an audit. This new inventroy UI will make it interesting.

The only thing I can think of is Mackinaw's being ganked pushing up the price of fuel.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#6 - 2012-05-25 06:53:24 UTC
I found 8 towers last week alone. Maybe its the patented TF Effect.

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#7 - 2012-05-25 07:08:07 UTC
I produce my own POS fuel from scratch, only purchasing the ice fuels off the market through buy orders. Since I turn around and resell on the market, my costs are passed on to the consumer. Roll

That being said, does anyone know of ice miners who sell isotopes at under Jita buy prices? I could give them a discount on POS fuel in return...

http://www.wormholes.info
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#8 - 2012-05-25 07:09:31 UTC
I just have all the raw fuel and shove it in the cooker/assembly array anchored at each tower every once in awhile. Fuel blocks may be space efficient but cost wise they can go to hell buying off market. It's a shame CCP removed the ability to use the old fuels.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#9 - 2012-05-25 07:57:40 UTC
Regardless of whether you manufacture or buy, the isotope portion of fuel costs has tripled in the last 6-8 weeks. In fact, if you manufacture you will save yourself 10-15% on Jita prices, if at all. Similarly, you need to work out the opportunity cost of producing crappy PI materials for your fuel cooking versus making more expensive PI materials for sale and using that extra money to offset buying fuels.

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#10 - 2012-05-25 08:08:57 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Regardless of whether you manufacture or buy, the isotope portion of fuel costs has tripled in the last 6-8 weeks. In fact, if you manufacture you will save yourself 10-15% on Jita prices, if at all. Similarly, you need to work out the opportunity cost of producing crappy PI materials for your fuel cooking versus making more expensive PI materials for sale and using that extra money to offset buying fuels.


Looking at Minmatar fuel and Hydrogen Isotopes, which have been hit hardest on the Jita market, each fuel block currently sells for about 22,000 ISK. At max skills, each block requires roughly 14,761 ISK in all three ice fuels at current buy prices, or 2/3 almost exactly of what I sell it for. That means I'm making a 50% profit selling fuel on today's market. The margin has decreased somewhat since pre-Hulkageddon but yes, there is still a reason to make it.

Since I also sell the fuel to my alliance at a discount, I benefit from not having to change the setups on my 35 planets, and my alliance benefits from the cost reduction.

http://www.wormholes.info
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-25 09:55:27 UTC
raw material price has been rising steadily since fuel blocks were introduced, whats causing the isotope price rize?
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#12 - 2012-05-25 10:33:30 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
raw material price has been rising steadily since fuel blocks were introduced, whats causing the isotope price rize?



Go mine in an Ice belt and find out Roll
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-05-25 13:35:59 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:

Looking at Minmatar fuel and Hydrogen Isotopes, which have been hit hardest on the Jita market, each fuel block currently sells for about 22,000 ISK. At max skills, each block requires roughly 14,761 ISK in all three ice fuels at current buy prices, or 2/3 almost exactly of what I sell it for. That means I'm making a 50% profit selling fuel on today's market. The margin has decreased somewhat since pre-Hulkageddon but yes, there is still a reason to make it.


I wonder what the actual profit is when you calculate in the price of the non-ice materials.

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#14 - 2012-05-25 14:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathan Jameson
Roime wrote:
I wonder what the actual profit is when you calculate in the price of the non-ice materials.


I calculate the costs there as "time," or about 2-3 hours every 3 days. There are ways to earn a higher ISK/time ratio I'm sure, but little else allows me to do it while AFK or doing diplomacy or admin work at the same background.

Besides, not everything is just about profits. As I'm producing fuel for my alliance, I think the lowered potential profits are worth it.

EDIT: I crunched the numbers for Jita buy prices at 14:30 today, and if I bought everything straight from the market, I would be making 3,584 ISK extra on a block that cost 18,400 to build, or 19% profit. Most of the money I'm making is really coming from an overly-complicated way of selling the PI I'm producing.

http://www.wormholes.info
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#15 - 2012-05-25 20:43:59 UTC
I'm in charge of producing uranium, coolant and oxygen in my corp and just started to produce little amarr ive as well. The pi products are actually going down (those three at least) so I turning them most to produce the fuel rather than selling it in market.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Octoven
Stellar Production
#16 - 2012-05-29 01:40:12 UTC
In a belt when someone warps in to gank you, if you warp out you still get a portion of the cycle of your lasers. In ice mining, if you warp out before your cycle is over you get nothing. :(
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#17 - 2012-05-29 01:56:09 UTC
Octoven wrote:
In a belt when someone warps in to gank you, if you warp out you still get a portion of the cycle of your lasers. In ice mining, if you warp out before your cycle is over you get nothing. :(


This i did not know. This must be why ice prices are so high!

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Mule hauler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-29 07:20:34 UTC
If fuel prices are a factor in a wormhole you're doing it wrong.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#19 - 2012-05-29 08:31:14 UTC
Mule hauler wrote:
If fuel prices are a factor in a wormhole you're doing it wrong.


I suppose you fuel your towers with bullshit..
Obax Bannon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-29 09:27:14 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Mule hauler wrote:
If fuel prices are a factor in a wormhole you're doing it wrong.


I suppose you fuel your towers with bullshit..


I think what he was really getting at was that in a wormhole when you're making maybe a bill/week who really cares
about it costing an extra few hundred mills per month to fuel the towers.
So yeah if the fuel prices are really make or break for you then yes you are doing something very wrong
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