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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2012-05-25 00:53:06 UTC
James 315 wrote:


1. Did CCP announce a mass bot-banning?
2. Did the botter/uncensored forums light up with activity complaining about bans?
3. Was there any anecdotal evidence indicating bot banning?

The answer to all three of these, so far, is a resounding "no." The only thing that happened during the relevant period was Burn Jita and Hulkageddon. ]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

I love how you come and spout off things you have no idea about. One, yes CCP did announce mass bot banning. Two, the botter forms were completely full of tears for like a month, it was wonderful. I assume one could still harvest quite a few tears on the botter forms today. I am almost positive that CCP even released stats for removed assets from RMT/botters, and it number in the trillions of isk/assets removed. Three yes, a few weeks after all this public banning we began to see a rise in market prices. Makes sense takes the market a while to adjust. Here don't believe me, see for yourself: http://bit.ly/JgnmXp

Educate your self so you don't sound so ignorant.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#302 - 2012-05-25 01:00:29 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
I love how you come and spout off things you have no idea about. One, yes CCP did announce mass bot banning. Two, the botter forms were completely full of tears for like a month, it was wonderful. I assume one could still harvest quite a few tears on the botter forms today. I am almost positive that CCP even released stats for removed assets from RMT/botters, and it number in the trillions of isk/assets removed.
CCP Diagoras' statistics were based on a comparison between the week before Hulkageddon, and a week during Hulkageddon. The question isn't whether there have been mass bot bannings in the past, but whether there was a mass bot banning between those two weeks. If not, then the drop in mining from the two weeks compared was due to a drop in human mining (due to Hulkageddon), not from bot banning.

As you said, the botter forums reacted to the bot bannings. If there was a huge bot banning right before Hulkageddon--leading to a drop of nearly 50% in highsec mining!--we would expect some noise from them. But there hasn't been.

So basically, instead of attacking my argument, you're reinforcing it.

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Educate your self so you don't sound so ignorant.
Right back at ya, superfly Smile

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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#303 - 2012-05-25 01:38:25 UTC
No, the huge bot-ban was right before FanFest.
5+ weeks BEFORE Hulkageddon.

Nothing clever at this time.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#304 - 2012-05-25 01:55:55 UTC
Zeko Rena wrote:
I want to thank you all, there are so many delicous astroids for me to consume in high sec now this is awesome, and using an osprey is a refreshing change, i feel like i am back in 2004, naww to be young again,

The belts are almost as populated as they were back in 2004 with roids as well, very pretty to see a roid bigger than a watermelon Lol


Screw an osprey, use a covetor lol by the time you get caught, IF you get caught youve made up the cost of it

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Torneach
Doomheim
#305 - 2012-05-25 01:58:30 UTC
Can this thread just die already?

Tired of seeing something reminiscent of 1930s European dictator speeches.
Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
#306 - 2012-05-25 03:55:05 UTC
Just stop feeding this troll.
Large Marg
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#307 - 2012-05-25 04:10:45 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
I love how you come and spout off things you have no idea about. One, yes CCP did announce mass bot banning. Two, the botter forms were completely full of tears for like a month, it was wonderful. I assume one could still harvest quite a few tears on the botter forms today. I am almost positive that CCP even released stats for removed assets from RMT/botters, and it number in the trillions of isk/assets removed.
CCP Diagoras' statistics were based on a comparison between the week before Hulkageddon, and a week during Hulkageddon. The question isn't whether there have been mass bot bannings in the past, but whether there was a mass bot banning between those two weeks. If not, then the drop in mining from the two weeks compared was due to a drop in human mining (due to Hulkageddon), not from bot banning.

As you said, the botter forums reacted to the bot bannings. If there was a huge bot banning right before Hulkageddon--leading to a drop of nearly 50% in highsec mining!--we would expect some noise from them. But there hasn't been.

So basically, instead of attacking my argument, you're reinforcing it.

Quote:
Educate your self so you don't sound so ignorant.
Right back at ya, superfly Smile


So what kind of noise can players make for using BOTS when its against the rules?

"How dare you ban me for illegal use of a bot! I demand you unban me right this instant."
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#308 - 2012-05-25 04:41:40 UTC
James 315 wrote:
CCP Diagoras' statistics were based on a comparison between the week before Hulkageddon, and a week during Hulkageddon.


I believe you're mistaken about that.

Which is rather disappointing as you cited the tweet yourself.
John Caligan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#309 - 2012-05-25 12:03:40 UTC
James 315 wrote:


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Yes, the current stockpiles will last a long time, and YES there will still be SOME income, but it will all be in losec, where everything will have turned into mass resources wars. Picture what would happen if the real world suddenly ran out of fossil fuels and the only way left to power things were national reserves. Extermination of hisec mining would be that ONE HUNDREDFOLD.

None of that sounds like a bad thing for EVE, in fact you paint a rather positive picture...


/facepalm

It would drive new players away from the game, and possibly existing ones as well. Believe it or not, the vast majority of people looking to play MMOs like EVE, which run on the high end of the price range due to superior quality, and have no Free to Play option (A good thing, in my opinion), are NOT looking for an all-out killfest. In fact, calling for actions that would leave to massacres in all sectors of space, both high and low sec, would drive away more people than just miners. You're going to drive away the people who like the storyline but not necessarily PvP, but don't mind it's existance. You're going to drive away Incursion runners, RPers, and other groups. If "Carebearing" and highsec mining is akin to sinking EVE, than resource wars equate to dropping a Thermonuclear Bomb on it.

Plus, by calling all highsec miners evil, you really do ignore and insult those of us who mine in hisec just because there's a lot of potential money to be made in them there belts, and who don't really mind if someone comes along and tries to shoot at us because we have drones and also have already aligned to a station like a good miner so we really don't have to worry about ganking from anything Cruiser sized and above. Or just set the drones on T1 frigs.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#310 - 2012-05-25 12:07:33 UTC
We don't want miners to leave. We just want the miners who, after getting killed, immediately whine and call for CCP to implement massive carebear protection measures, to leave.

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Futchmacht
TERRA CORE INDUSTRIES
#311 - 2012-05-25 13:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Futchmacht
Im a miner.. and all the Goons are doing is making my mining business increase...

years ago before the wide use of high sec bot miners. and in the days before the drone regoins even existed.. ore prices were in some cases higher then they are now.. a raven costed 120 million not 80. becuase mineral prices where higher.

In those times when T2 mining ships didnt exist minerals were also higher priced due to it taking longer to get them our of the belts.


All this is going to do is make mining MORE profitable for the miners that still take the "chance" to mine.

At this point the decrease is actually good for miners.. goons are not the only ones that are making money off this plan lol...

And if goons think they are alone in making money off the distruction of miners in low sec ... lol let them keep thinking that while the miners of eve make more money then they did 6 months ago.

If mineral prices go up 2x or 3x past old prices all that does is make one load of minerals make us more money... and its not like they are ganking the same one player over and over.. they are hitting different systems (or what they know is high miner systems over a few times in a row).

When mineral prices increase to old (3 to 5 year old prices) high sec mining corps will grow in size because noobs in mining ships will be able to make more money then doing missions.

When i started the game mining was THE NUMBER # way to make money as a noob hands down. those days might be on there way back and if so. old school miners like myself who always keep stockpiles of minerals will sell them off and make a good profit doing so.

Even if a ship is lost here and there to gankers. over all most miners or smart eve players will find a way to make more money then they lose.
ReiAnn
Nova-Tek
#312 - 2012-05-26 23:48:18 UTC
I really love how its either carebear this or ganker that...You really have such a small idea of the real picture. It's not about minerals, isk or fun. It's about a select group getting to control the game for the entire group.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#313 - 2012-05-27 00:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
We don't want miners to leave. We just want the miners who, after getting killed, immediately whine and call for CCP to implement massive carebear protection measures, to leave.



Oh we just want miners to get back into more unarmed ships so we can shoot them some more, we are so leet Roll.

Allow mining ships hulks and such to fit weapons. Enough to be able to take down those brave carebear pvp pilots (what could be more carebear than shooting things that can't shoot back) and allow them to tank a bit more. That would just be natural evolution.
Vermillion Sands
Weyland-Yutani Colonization
#314 - 2012-05-27 00:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vermillion Sands
@OP
Basically alot of shite
Come the end of HG its business as usual.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#315 - 2012-05-27 03:01:56 UTC
ReiAnn wrote:
I really love how its either carebear this or ganker that...You really have such a small idea of the real picture. It's not about minerals, isk or fun. It's about a select group getting to control the game for the entire group.


Complete and utter domination of a channel of media is the best fun. Just ask Rupert Murdoch!

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#316 - 2012-05-27 04:29:17 UTC
This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.



Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..



What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.

Yeah, you're winning the war all right.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
EVE Alphonse Elric
Doomheim
#317 - 2012-05-27 04:39:40 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.



Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..



What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.

Yeah, you're winning the war all right.


Wait this guy isnt a Goon, didnt THEY say they wanted to destroy the game?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#318 - 2012-05-27 05:07:28 UTC
EVE Alphonse Elric wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.



Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..



What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.

Yeah, you're winning the war all right.


Wait this guy isnt a Goon, didnt THEY say they wanted to destroy the game?


Well, they say they want to ruin everybody's game, which basically will cause players to leave and eventually destroy the game due to no subscriptions.

As for the op, probably affiliated with them in one way or another, either an alt char or ally.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#319 - 2012-05-27 05:32:05 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.



Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.

Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..



What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.

Yeah, you're winning the war all right.


And what you are doing here is a slippery slope argument. It is a logical fallacy. Also, we don't want to destroy all miners, just the highsec ones. And we don't want to destroy all mission ships, just the pimped out multi billion is pimpmobile ones. And destroying ganking ships is just silly, how and why would one do that? Also, we dont want to destroy all industrial ships, just the ones hauling cargo out of proportion for the survivability of the ship.

Ultimately, this is all just economic manipulation. We're removing the competition.

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#320 - 2012-05-27 05:38:22 UTC
Dreadknoght Lomaree wrote:
You are an idiot if you think that mineral inputs droppng 50% is a good thing...

Where do you think that every ship in eve came from? Every ship that dies in hulkaggedon, the miner & the ganker, costs minerals to build. Now, miners in high-sec bring in the largest total of minerals in eve, and you think this is a good thing? You think miners will want to go into low-sec or 0.0 when all of this is going on?

Yeah, lets see you in a few weeks when ships begin to increase in price 10-fold (which means tens of millions of isk for a single frigate!)

And im not even talking about the destroyed modules prices...



Some men just like to watch the world burn.