Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Run a search. Been asked for and shot down many, many, many times.

No.

the 50m sp and 2 years thing is lawl

no

live with your stupid choices

you could always save up isk and buy who you want to be and sell your crap old main afaik

I'm curious as to precisely why its a "sh*t idea" seeing as it gets requested so often. Is there some reason aside from "No, cus EVE is hardcoar"? I'm not referring to this idea in particular, but the basic concept in general. I recall it was a lot of work for CCP to create a mechanism in game to refund sp to begin with when they were removing Learning skills. Yet said mechanism now goes unutilized for anything.

Surely there's level of inherent cost, risk or punishment that can go along with it that should appease the bloodthirsty hardcore? -.-

I have looked and the two biggest reasons I've seen thus far are "No, because THIS IS SPARTA" and "No, because people will use it to FOTM"

The former is irrelevant, the later can be addressed rather easily through limitations and penalties. There are once a year neural remaps. You can't tell me a once a year skill remap of x amount of SP would disrupt the game in any way. Nor that penalizing systems that actually cause you to lose SP to reassign some SP would bring about the end of the universe.

Provided there is a significant limitation and/or penalty I don't see what the glaring issue is.

Well, luckily its not up to you and if its been suggested 123580356, CCP should probably explore it =p

Stop trying to change the very fundamental principle of EvE please.

Hyperbolic. It does not remove the point of skills in any way shape or form unless you can respec all your skills at any time for no penalty whatsoever. Something not even WoW does.


"It removes the point of having attributes."

Only if you can respec whenever, however you want for no penalty. If being able to remap attributes once per year does not remove the point of attributes, how does being able to respec x SP once per year?


"It removes attribute implants from the game."

See above. Also, attribute implants existence with Learning skills gone is slowly becoming a topic of debate on the forums as well.


"It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups."

Irrelevant. Only a concern if, again, you allow it all the time any time with no cost or penalty. If it is time limited someone can already train into a FOTM set up in a vastly shorter time than waiting for a respec.


"It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character."

The uniquness and history of your character depends vastly more on that characters experiences, kill mails, alliances, standings, wallet, etc than it does on "What I left in queue for a month". Time erases skill uniqueness in EVE as ultimately there are only so many roads a player can eventually go down that differentiate them from others. Time lessens a character's uniqueness as skill training branches out the characters capabilities and accessible roles.


"It removes planning and choice and consequences."

First of all, it does nothing of the sort unless, yet again, you think it should be a button you can just magically press whenever you like with no consequence.

Secondly, EVE has a terrible new player experience rife with pitfalls and mistakes they will make not because of lack of intelligence or skill, but from lack of the game adequately explaining itself to them. So they should be on the hook for the game's failings?


"It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas."

You're arguing entirely from the platform that a respec option would be available all the time for everyone for no penalty or cost. There is not a single mainstream MMO on the market that allows this save maybe Guild Wars.


"It kills character trading."

Only if you're making wild speculations as to how it would be implimented in the worst possible way contrary to the common sense of the entire MMO industry. If anything it improves character trading by allowing you to trim a character into a more attractive product.


"It massively boosts older characters over new ones."
"It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do."

Its already impossible to "catch up" and this would be quite the reverse. If you were penalized a significant portion of SP for using it, it would actually allow younger characters to catch up to older characters that abused it.


"So no. There's a reason it hasn't been implemented in spite of people asking for it again and again: it's inherently incompatible with the game design, it solves nothing, and it breaks the game."

It does nothing of the sort unless it is implimented in the most idiotic, disasterous way possible which is entirely what you're arguing against and would never be implimented in that fashion by CCP or any other major MMO company with a shred of common sense.

Well, luckily CCP did review it 123580356 times. Still no reallocation yet since 2003. You might get the point...