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Hmm.. Good ship for lv4's?
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Sarpy Aranori
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-05-24 21:01:44 UTC
In desperate need of money! So I've decided to give lvl4's a go..

Thing is, I only have around 10mil SP, so nothing fancy.. And I'm mainly trained for Min ships.

I'm gonna give it a go in a drake right now.

when I can afford a battleship..What one should I get(Min battleship) and how should I fit it?
Not trained for T2 large guns yet
Llewelyn
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-05-24 21:03:53 UTC
Malestrom usually does pretty well with an arty fit.

Should have put this in the Ships and Modules forum btw.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-24 21:06:38 UTC
Maelstrom if you must go wimpmatar. T2 guns will make a big difference

Better suggestion IMHO: Raven, it's not the absolute best ship for lvl 4's, but it is a very good lvl 4 boat and has a low skill point entry bar. Cap boosters suck but they're manageable until you can afford a deadspace medium booster.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-24 21:09:38 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Maelstrom if you must go wimpmatar. T2 guns will make a big difference

Better suggestion IMHO: Raven, it's not the absolute best ship for lvl 4's, but it is a very good lvl 4 boat and has a low skill point entry bar. Cap boosters suck but they're manageable until you can afford a deadspace medium booster.


No, training for a Raven is like painting yourself into a mediocre corner. Training Winmatar is a better idea because you can progress to the Machariel, while the CNR and Rattlesnake are laughable in comparison. Gallente is also pretty great, Vindicator is a beast.
Ohanka
#5 - 2012-05-24 21:13:39 UTC
Ignore the trolls. Use a raven. doesn't have the name "King of PVE" without a reason

North Korea is Best Korea
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2012-05-24 21:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
From another thread.

Alara IonStorm wrote:
The Raven hits all the good sweet spots when talking T1 Ships.

Pro's

* Selectable Damage (Unlike Lasers / Hybrids)
* Long Range (Unlike Autocannons)
* Not affected by Tracking Computers
* Low Skill Training (Unlike the T2 Sentry Dominix and T2 Guns)
* Ridiculously Long Range (Worth a second mention, you can hit anything in lock range.)
* Easy to use (So easy)
* Missiles are very accurate (Unlike Rails / Artillery) (Presision for Cruisers or Rigors which lets you hit Cruisers with standards. Fury with Rigor and Painter on Battleships)
* Advance ment with no extra skill training into the CNR. SNI as well is good for the lazy

Cons

* Middle of the road DPS
* Weapons have little PvP cross over
* Counting Missile Launches do to flight time
* Poor Scan Res and Speed (Range makes up for speed except for slow boating to gates.)

I hear good things about the Sentry Domi if you want to go the training. Maelstrom is an absolute pain to use with its speed / range combo but the Mach Vargur are great if you can front the ISK / Training. Lasers are good but trap you to EM Damage.
Sarpy Aranori
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-05-24 21:18:56 UTC
It'd take me around four days to fly a raven :D

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sarpy_Aranori
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-24 21:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Maelstrom is a great mission running ship.

think I used something along these lines before upgrading to a Machariel:

[Maelstrom, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

100MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5


I would advise against training for a Raven - if you have low SP you want to train skills that are useful in a variety of situations.
Training for a basic Drake and then switching to Minmatar is a sound decision - Drake, Hurricane, Tempest, Maelstrom are all popular ships.
Only train for a Raven if you want go for a Scorpion - otherwise the cruise missile skills are useless and rokh fleets aren't nearly common enough to justify training caldari battleship for a new character.

What really sucks is the guys who have 15-20m SP and join a pvp corp/alliance thinking they are now (finally!) useful - only to find out that training straight for Gallente ships was maybe not the best decision and that nobody is interested in their special snowflake rail Brutix.
Even if you don't plan to do pvp any time soon, make your training decisions with common pvp doctrines in mind.

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Leetha Layne
#9 - 2012-05-24 21:34:22 UTC
Maybe move this to Ships and Modules with the other 50 threads on the same topic.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-24 21:39:34 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
Ignore the trolls. Use a raven. doesn't have the name "King of PVE" without a reason


That name belongs to the Tengu now. Raven is a has-been, washed up and out-classed by superior ships.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-05-24 21:46:08 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
wimpmatar

Ohoho, that's a new one.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
c4 t
Cosmic Psychedelics
#12 - 2012-05-24 21:47:46 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Ohanka wrote:
Ignore the trolls. Use a raven. doesn't have the name "King of PVE" without a reason


That name belongs to the Tengu now. Raven is a has-been, washed up and out-classed by superior ships.


I personally didn't want to train to a raven. When would I ever use cruise missiles ever again except for pve? At least with the tengu you can pvp with it. There are also more ships that take advantage of Heavy and Assault missiles.
Darion Amador
Followers of Ouroboros
#13 - 2012-05-24 21:49:42 UTC
AC Machariel. Enough said.
Alara IonStorm
#14 - 2012-05-24 21:53:18 UTC
Darion Amador wrote:
AC Machariel. Enough said.

Hmmm...
Sarpy Aranori wrote:
In desperate need of money! So I've decided to give lvl4's a go..

Thing is, I only have around 10mil SP, so nothing fancy.. And I'm mainly trained for Min ships.

Gonna loan him the 1.5 billion to back that suggestion?
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#15 - 2012-05-24 22:00:34 UTC
If you go missiles, be sure to get the support skills to reduce your mission time. I noticed you had none of them trained.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-24 22:02:26 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Darion Amador wrote:
AC Machariel. Enough said.

Hmmm...
Sarpy Aranori wrote:
In desperate need of money! So I've decided to give lvl4's a go..

Thing is, I only have around 10mil SP, so nothing fancy.. And I'm mainly trained for Min ships.

Gonna loan him the 1.5 billion to back that suggestion?


Obviously something you can work up to, using an arty maelstrom. Better to train useful skills rather than waste skillpoints into missiles.
Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#17 - 2012-05-24 22:12:43 UTC
I read the title as "Goon ship."

Make it so.
Alara IonStorm
#18 - 2012-05-24 22:19:32 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:

Obviously something you can work up to, using an arty maelstrom. Better to train useful skills rather than waste skillpoints into missiles.

Wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#19 - 2012-05-24 22:23:09 UTC
As much as I hate to say it, the Arty Mael will work fine for most missions. Though make sure you have decent drone skills for any frigs that get to close.
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-24 22:37:56 UTC
Drake.
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