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Unified Winferno is now live - and it sucks as much it did on test server

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Solasta Kovacs
Mortis Angelus
Triumvirate.
#401 - 2012-05-24 11:46:54 UTC
Spot on that man.

It is a bit like Windows. And like Microsoft, they try to make things look nicer and be a bit more acessible to new comers, but in the process make more work for people who are familiar with the systems (the ridiculous ribbons in Office now being a prime example of extra clicks for the same functionality)

When I get ready to undock, I want to swiftly and easily see whats in my hold, drag a few assorted bits of ammo etc from my always open items hangar, and get pewing... Now you cant even see whats already in the hold, whilst selecting the additions, without additional faffing around.

Upgrades and changes are good, but its just utterly stupid to damage existing functionality in the process.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2012-05-24 12:13:01 UTC
i pay 15 bucks or 480mil a month to click things.

I have more space likes than you. 
Aoki Kenzo
Apotheosis Enterprises
#403 - 2012-05-24 12:33:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Then this is a problem with implementation, rather than design concepts, and most of the whining I've read has been about the change to a unified window - hence the troll post up there ^
Sure, I can agree with that. The problem is that a lot of the implementation issues seem like they are direct effects of the attempt to move towards that unified window. Somewhere along the line, the thought that maybe some things shouldn't be fully unified seems to have been overlooked.

The whines about the unification is how that design concept imposes itself onto a lot of use cases that outright call for multiple windows. It's kind of the design version of “categorical statements are categorically false”.

I can fully understand the exuberance in putting everything they could into this new system, but now they need to step back and see what about the old system was actually useful (even more useful than the new one, in some cases), and ensure that those pre-existing good solutions are not overwritten with bad ones.


THIS THIS and THIS,
Wasn't this obvious when you were developing unified inventory CCP? Wasn't It obvious?
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#404 - 2012-05-24 12:49:40 UTC
Aoki Kenzo wrote:


THIS THIS and THIS,
Wasn't this obvious when you were developing unified inventory CCP? Wasn't It obvious?



It's truly one of those mind-boggling business decisions. I expect this out of Blizzard, MicroSoft, Apple, and SONY. Oh, wait........

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Turgesson
Gorillaz In The Mist
#405 - 2012-05-24 12:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Turgesson
I don't know about anyone else but I'm always glad to beta test new Dust UIs.

There was nothing wrong with the ship, item and asset tabs we already had. Why would you waste development time on this to take a step BACK in usefulness then waste more time trying to make it as useful and easy to understand as the old system? I'm not a slow learner. I've taken time to learn your new windows UI and can defiantly say it was a waste of time and probably constructed by someone who doesn't understand this game.

In the old system if I wanted to swap something from the cargo of one ship to another I would open the ship hangar, open both cargo holds and drag from one to the other. In the new system if I want to perform the same function I need to find ships in a list and do the shift-click thing unless it's the active ship then I open that in the big window and do the shift-click thing to the one in the listed ships or try to open the ship hangar which closes the cargo of the active ship ....how is this not bad?

Did I miss the users guide on exactly how to use all the new wonderful functions of the inventory UI or are we still in beta mode here and any documentation would be another waste of time because most of this will change? I really wish I could have a job like this but I'm in construction. In that field I can't install a leaky toilet and just say "Sorry about the sh!t all over your floor but I was waiting to see how you would use this thing. Please, just consider it a work in progress for a couple weeks and throw a few towels on the floor for the mess".
Marcus Caspius
#406 - 2012-05-24 13:00:03 UTC
CCP Arrow wrote:
Hey this is great Big smile I lol'd out loud, oh and I'm reading this thread now, sorry about late reply, we have been monitoring the official feedback thread of the blog over the weekend and are collecting valuable input for iteration tasks as well as setting up User testing sessions to be able to actually observe in action the things you are describing so that the changes and fixes we do will be the right ones.


Bit late don't you think?

Go kick your boss in the head and tell him I have a Village somewhere without an idiot!

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
Marcus Caspius
#407 - 2012-05-24 13:05:59 UTC
Maul555 wrote:
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
> realizes agreeing to tippia post
> what have I become?!
> puts gun to head
> *BOOM*



I really wish people like you would have the common decency to lay down on several large sheets of plastic first. Think of the cleanup crew!


In all this bullshit SHIT_CLICK (no you read it right) and FAIL-FERNO you made me laugh! +1'd you...

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
Jajas Helper
#408 - 2012-05-24 13:13:38 UTC
Marcus Caspius wrote:
CCP Arrow wrote:
Hey this is great Big smile I lol'd out loud, oh and I'm reading this thread now, sorry about late reply, we have been monitoring the official feedback thread of the blog over the weekend and are collecting valuable input for iteration tasks as well as setting up User testing sessions to be able to actually observe in action the things you are describing so that the changes and fixes we do will be the right ones.


Bit late don't you think?

Go kick your boss in the head and tell him I have a Village somewhere without an idiot!


Please return the ccp idiot back to Marcus Caspius...

Inferno do _stuff _with _stuff _to imitate the _stuff _you could do faster with the old stuff

-stuff-
Tarkoauc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#409 - 2012-05-24 13:41:00 UTC
Just a general observation regarding interfaces: A new design should require less clicks rather than more clicks. If you add clicks you are doing it wrong.

Having said that, why not have the old system as an option and let the customer choose what they like better? If the new system is so awesome that everyone uses it, then you can take the old system out next expansion and nobody complains.
Jajas Helper
#410 - 2012-05-24 13:59:54 UTC
Tarkoauc wrote:
Just a general observation regarding interfaces: A new design should require less clicks rather than more clicks. If you add clicks you are doing it wrong.

Having said that, why not have the old system as an option and let the customer choose what they like better? If the new system is so awesome that everyone uses it, then you can take the old system out next expansion and nobody complains.


or remove the new system in the next expansion if nobody uses it ;)

"CCP Idontactualydomyjob" would make up statistics and then remove the old system again otherwise...

Inferno do _stuff _with _stuff _to imitate the _stuff _you could do faster with the old stuff

-stuff-
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#411 - 2012-05-24 15:37:47 UTC
Somehow I think CCP hired the Bethesda guyt hat made Skyrim inventory.... that is the ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION!
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#412 - 2012-05-24 18:57:57 UTC
♥ persistent windows back sooner rather than later ♥ end to unfinished patches ♥ protesting at monument until fixed ♥

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#413 - 2012-05-24 21:40:17 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
There are always idiots that will complain about a broken feature on the TEST server.

Unfortunately you cannot please everybody.



Confirming that Tranquility does not belong to Goons anymore, and instead belongs to TEST.




:D
Jajas Helper
#414 - 2012-05-24 23:10:25 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
There are always idiots that will complain about a broken feature on the TEST server.

Unfortunately you cannot please everybody.



Confirming that Tranquility does not belong to Goons anymore, and instead belongs to TEST.




:D



Comfirming that goons are not happy with NOT beeing responsible for all the tears on this forum because of fail expansion...

Inferno do _stuff _with _stuff _to imitate the _stuff _you could do faster with the old stuff

-stuff-
beast rage
Federated Terra.
#415 - 2012-05-25 15:12:12 UTC
so its been a couple days now has anyone heard anything on whats goin to happen with this? or should we all just go to jita and open our new unified inventory over and over till we overload the server??
Jajas Helper
#416 - 2012-05-25 15:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jajas Helper
beast rage wrote:
so its been a couple days now has anyone heard anything on whats goin to happen with this? or should we all just go to jita and open our new unified inventory over and over till we overload the server??


Someone is doing a list or whatever on what to fix and how to make the new system useable... also ccp has started a guide to use the new system ( i still laugh at needing a guide for a system that supposed to make things easier )

All that is beeing done and we'll hear about it next tuesday - as monday is a holiday... "but someone is working on it" *wink*

1 -> implement new system (replacing a working system)
2 -> then spend time fixing the problems with the new system (because you have now made it more tedious and more annoying to play the game.
3 -> hope that after fixing some issues, your customers give up and accept that it now is going to take them alot more useless clicks and time to do while playing the game
4-> repeat process and keep ignoring customers

Inferno do _stuff _with _stuff _to imitate the _stuff _you could do faster with the old stuff

-stuff-
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#417 - 2012-05-25 15:53:41 UTC
beast rage wrote:
so its been a couple days now has anyone heard anything on whats goin to happen with this? or should we all just go to jita and open our new unified inventory over and over till we overload the server??
This might be the best stress test ever.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#418 - 2012-05-25 16:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
That may be a great idea to bring a massive amount of orcas in Jita, fleet them, allow eachothers to open their Corporate hangar and then spam this button : Jita protest V2 :p

Seriously CCP you should consider to hire a testing team, that worth it.

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James Razor
RazorEnterprise
#419 - 2012-05-25 16:34:02 UTC
Jajas Helper wrote:
beast rage wrote:
so its been a couple days now has anyone heard anything on whats goin to happen with this? or should we all just go to jita and open our new unified inventory over and over till we overload the server??


Someone is doing a list or whatever on what to fix and how to make the new system useable... also ccp has started a guide to use the new system ( i still laugh at needing a guide for a system that supposed to make things easier )

All that is beeing done and we'll hear about it next tuesday - as monday is a holiday... "but someone is working on it" *wink*

1 -> implement new system (replacing a working system)
2 -> then spend time fixing the problems with the new system (because you have now made it more tedious and more annoying to play the game.
3 -> hope that after fixing some issues, your customers give up and accept that it now is going to take them alot more useless clicks and time to do while playing the game
4-> repeat process and keep ignoring customers


Well, is anyone here still thinking that i was being hysteric when i called for protests in Jita?

CCPs attitude towards us didnt change at all. Even the biggest CCP Fanboi should by now realize that they dont give anything on us and still see us only as cashcows and Beta-Testers for their other projects. I still think we should shoot that Monument up a bit more for a while.

Oh and btw.: Why is that Server down again?

Old Bitter Veteran.
beast will Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#420 - 2012-05-27 14:28:08 UTC
okay i have to ask does anyone from ccp play eve? i mean really let them trying doin something with the new inventory system so far i have not found anything its does better then the old system its slow, bulky and very inefficient cant even salvage with it the only thing thats semi cool is the price estimate when you hover over something and even thats pretty unreliable soo if they cant see its useless then i have to conclude they dont even play thier own game????