EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

That's not the point. The point is that CCP made the determination that PL/Your Vote Doesn't Count were in fact an A/B team, just like Hydra/Outbreak, but both sets of teams received different punishments.

Ignoring the fact that the determination was made doesn't make it go away.

I'm not saying PL is in the wrong, I'm saying CCP isn't being impartial with their ruling. They (CCP) stated if that an A/B scenario came up then the main alliance would be banned, which is what they did with Hydra. If they're going to stand by the determination that PL/Your Vote Doesn't Count are an A/B team then the rules and punishment should be the same.

CCP shouldn't, in good conscience, half assed follow their own rules.

You dont seem to understand. The rules are not the same for everyone, regardless if you are told what you are doing is ok

So you honestly can't see the difference between us being very open an honest about every single dealing we've had, opening everything for them to see, and them coming back and going ok this looks too close we can't allow this other team since thats the one you've made obvious to us won't be competing if you CCP see a problem.

And

Hydra going "NO we're not 2 teams" then piling everybody into one corp and one wormhole and testing like one team?


Those 2 instances in your mind both deserve the same punishment?

I mean a simple yes or no will easily determine the validity of having a conversation with you, because they're not even close to the same thing.

Why don't you ban all teams who put in any amount of effort practicing and training for the alliance tournament. I think any alliances that bring any form of a coherant setup and spend any amount of time on sinqularity should be banned.

Also every team should just be given 10 pre-fit thoraxs in a 10km wide arena. and maxed tournament characters.

make sure there is only 3 active modules max though not including guns otherwise it won't be fair.

also no drones in the thorax's it's a bit too much to expect people to remember to launch them.

@ Grath/Tyyrax/Raivi

Any two teams that test against each other regularly will know the exact setups of the other team anyway. Setting up two POS in the same wormhole is going to prevent this somehow?

Why test against each other to begin with? Unlike you or Darkside we are both actually small alliances (the same types of alliances that Sreegs claims he is championing) and we do not have enough to do full tests as separate groups.

If CCP had said you cannot test like this when we asked we could've joined into a single group or come to some other arrangement. The fact is that they did not communicate anything with us even though we approached them multiple times. In fact, the only official communication we received said we could test like this.

All of this is very clearly outlined in Garmon's post or can be easily infered from it. However, I guess the prospect of not having to worry about us is too appealing for you.

Yes. I do see a difference.

But, again, that is not the point I'm making.

CCP has said that if they determine it's an A/B team scenario that they will ban the teams, including the main alliance.

CCP made the determination that PL/Your Votes Don't Count are, indeed, an A/B team (whether I agree is a moot point).

CCP then banned the team they decided was the "B" team, but not the main alliance. This goes against what they previously stated.

I'm saying I don't agree with CCP setting a standard and a punishment, making a determination that two entities have violated that standard, but not giving them equal punishment.

If CCP is going to make the determination that PL violated the same rule as Hydra (which is what CCP has stated in the original post here) and not apply the same punishment then they should unban Your Vote Doesn't Count.

Either apply the rules-determination-punishment equally, or not at all.

Please address this point then:

The point here is that both Outbreak and Hydra sent petitions and emails asking if it would break any rules by practicing together on the Test server BEFORE we started training.

We received a fairly clear Senior GM response saying as long as we compete as separate entities in the tournament we would not be violating any rules.

If CCP had responded to our queries and told us there is a rule banning two teams from practicing together on the Test Server, we would not have done this.

I don't seeing being completely open with them in our communication and outlining our full intentions as being greasy. A simple "no you can't practice like this" could've avoided all of this.

I think it's irrelevant, only thing that matters here is what it looks like to whoever's enforcing/interpreting the rules.