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Aren't we a bit spoiled?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2012-05-24 10:49:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The thing is that there has been this growing trend recently that CCP don't really seem to listen to feedback until after the “CANCEL ACCOUNT!” threads come out. In this case, in particular, it is very easy to point to a wealth of feedback and how it resulted in absolutely nothing, at which point those threads come out that much faster to absolutely no-one's surprise.

There is a degree of unresponsiveness that simply breeds this behaviour since it often looks like the only way to make any kind of impact. Whether that's actually true or not is somewhat besides the point — it's a culture that has been growing ever since :18 months: and which has continually been reinforced by the devs.

At this point, I don't particularly blame people for going for the big club at the drop of a hat, because the polite note so rarely seems to make any kind of impact. I also don't mind if most people don't post deep analyses or long itemised lists — there are still those who do and the rest can then just tag along and point to those compilation to say “raaaargh! I agree! ragequit!”. Would it be nicer without the aggressive tone? Sure. I'm no longer convinced that it would work, though… Cry

To some extent, it makes perfect sense. It's brinkmanship, or escalation of threats or whatever. The smaller threats aren't credible, and any level of threat becomes old hat after a while.

So you gotta keep going for bigger and braver so to speak.

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Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-05-24 10:49:59 UTC
Entitled, spoiled nerds cry foul and threaten mass unsub every time an update doesn't go quite as planned. Maybe the new inventory is a problem for some people, maybe that one particular team could have been more diligent in working with feedback, but judging by how people tend to overreact to any change here on the forums, I'm not really surprised their reaction was, "Just try it first."

Now though, nerds think that if they freak out and damn the CCP devs any change or in-game action they don't like will be rolled back.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.

Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-05-24 10:51:06 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The thing is that there has been this growing trend recently that CCP don't really seem to listen to feedback until after the “CANCEL ACCOUNT!” threads come out. In this case, in particular, it is very easy to point to a wealth of feedback and how it resulted in absolutely nothing, at which point those threads come out that much faster to absolutely no-one's surprise.

There is a degree of unresponsiveness that simply breeds this behaviour since it often looks like the only way to make any kind of impact. Whether that's actually true or not is somewhat besides the point — it's a culture that has been growing ever since :18 months: and which has continually been reinforced by the devs.

At this point, I don't particularly blame people for going for the big club at the drop of a hat, because the polite note so rarely seems to make any kind of impact. I also don't mind if most people don't post deep analyses or long itemised lists — there are still those who do and the rest can then just tag along and point to those compilation to say “raaaargh! I agree! ragequit!”. Would it be nicer without the aggressive tone? Sure. I'm no longer convinced that it would work, though… Cry

To some extent, it makes perfect sense. It's brinkmanship, or escalation of threats or whatever. The smaller threats aren't credible, and any level of threat becomes old hat after a while.

So you gotta keep going for bigger and braver so to speak.


So what comes next after threatening mass unsub?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2012-05-24 10:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Zhihatsu wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The thing is that there has been this growing trend recently that CCP don't really seem to listen to feedback until after the “CANCEL ACCOUNT!” threads come out. In this case, in particular, it is very easy to point to a wealth of feedback and how it resulted in absolutely nothing, at which point those threads come out that much faster to absolutely no-one's surprise.

There is a degree of unresponsiveness that simply breeds this behaviour since it often looks like the only way to make any kind of impact. Whether that's actually true or not is somewhat besides the point — it's a culture that has been growing ever since :18 months: and which has continually been reinforced by the devs.

At this point, I don't particularly blame people for going for the big club at the drop of a hat, because the polite note so rarely seems to make any kind of impact. I also don't mind if most people don't post deep analyses or long itemised lists — there are still those who do and the rest can then just tag along and point to those compilation to say “raaaargh! I agree! ragequit!”. Would it be nicer without the aggressive tone? Sure. I'm no longer convinced that it would work, though… Cry

To some extent, it makes perfect sense. It's brinkmanship, or escalation of threats or whatever. The smaller threats aren't credible, and any level of threat becomes old hat after a while.

So you gotta keep going for bigger and braver so to speak.


So what comes next after threatening mass unsub?

More an issue of using it faster and faster.

As opposed to three whine threads, then threaten the unsub, you move to two, then maybe only one.

Now, everyone simply makes unsub threads on their first go. As you can clearly see ^__^/


Besides in days when you whittled down seconds and get your launch times into the minutes, at some point the only thing to do is to do it.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#25 - 2012-05-24 10:56:36 UTC
Actually complaints and accusations of ccp attempting to hide the unsub button which is only evident that these guys dont know how to unsub proper.

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Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-05-24 11:02:34 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Actually complaints and accusations of ccp attempting to hide the unsub button which is only evident that these guys dont know how to unsub proper.


This is actually a thing? MY god, I'm glad these people aren't trying to unsub from AOL. They'd probably self harm before they ever figured it out.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#27 - 2012-05-24 11:11:14 UTC
9 year vet, and no complaining about devs breaking something that wasn't, despite feedback on the test server and ignoring the player base isn't spoiled.

Tal




Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#28 - 2012-05-24 11:11:55 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Actually complaints and accusations of ccp attempting to hide the unsub button which is only evident that these guys dont know how to unsub proper.


This is actually a thing? MY god, I'm glad these people aren't trying to unsub from AOL. They'd probably self harm before they ever figured it out.


Or try uninstalling it from there machine ?


Tal


Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-05-24 11:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Nova Fox wrote:
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
People cry about anyting atm. With Incarna i agree that something had to be done, but now.. Its just anoying little brats that want everything and anything at the same time.

Does the majority of players are women with PMS?


Maybe more of the wow/tor/sto kids are comming over and we're having to deal with a new brand of immaturity, cluelessness, and undeservings.


Im actually pretty sure its the other way around. Kids love shiny/pretty/new stuff. It's those carpal vets that have mastered the art of micromanaging several accounts at once that are probably having to "adapt", they don't like it.

Good post though, i do agree that pointless whining without constructive base is just that, pointless whining that devs, im sure by now are sick of.

I really can't see what CCP could have done to improve the old inventory system, as that I accepted the fact that they probably need a completely new base to make everything even better.
killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-24 11:14:30 UTC
i wish they wouldn't threat about unsubbing to get ccp's attention, btw this is attention seeking behavior i expect from my kid tbh

instead they should just hold mass... bio mass ceremony's privately somewhere

disclaimer: i am in no way inciting, encouraging suggesting suicide in any way i mean only in terms of in game character deletion, before i get twatted over the head with a ban hammer

:)

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#31 - 2012-05-24 17:25:06 UTC
I am quite sure the older vets are way used to the simple fact eve is going to change on them.

Though I would like to see a grave yard of old features put to place somewhere in new eden that would be rather Iconic even though its player based even.

"Here lies the lack of tutoirals, back when the game threw you into the universe and didnt tell you a amarr-damned thing what to do."

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alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#32 - 2012-05-24 17:42:34 UTC
TLDR carebear talking about being in game and the UI not keeping a ship alive or killing it.
What do you even do, all I see are dumb photoshop pics from you.

The new amarr ships are **** dark, dark space now with dark ships... might as well not even have a ship model... **** they all look the same... no more red guard... blue proator... they are all the same **** color.

And you are right this is not incarna... this is worse, that added something useless to the game... this UI ****** up a working thing IN the game.

Due to being a carebear I won't even talk about local, chat chans, etc...

No one ever talked about unsubbing in mass till it was what CCP said we had to do for them to listen.

CCP won't listen unless people unsub and you babies who don't have the nuts to unsub talk about how it is childish.

GUESS WHAT if no one un subbed, FiS be dead.

Also like to know how to blow up something that can't be blown up... photoshop it?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#33 - 2012-05-24 18:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I am not a carebare, just because I suck at killing people doesn't mean I must be doing something every carebaer does. I just cant fund pvp activities at all and If I was a real carebare my corp office wouldnt complain about the lack of payements to keep the office doors open. Also there is more than one way to skin a cat, the damage I've done elsewhere cannot be easily measured... well maybe if you can count the number of killboards and vacant team speak servers no longer in use would be one metric I guess. The problem with skinning cats this way though is that there are no leftovers to scavange though to make money off of and it always costs money to make it happen this way.

I also cannot afford let alone use photoshop, if you want extremly horrible UI adobe photoshop HAS IT. and even If I did I typically don't draw scenery of ships blowing each other up its not my thing I rather concept newer ship designs.

I say the current interation of local not reconizing who is logged in and who isnt is by far the best interation second to local's removal I dont see why you are crying over it. Imagine AFK cloaking a system without using a cloak!? Use a 1 day rookie alt and just log off and go about doing other things on your main.

CCP listens they just dont like the whining uninformative tones to be honest.

Also the sub numbers didn't show a massive despike during incarna and it quickly recovered before the expansion cycle ended.

Also a little blue bird told me that you wheren't the brigest in the family taking everything for surface value and not digging deep enough on how to greif with it.

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Mini Mizer
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-07-11 08:35:15 UTC
wasnt suprised to see a thread like this but the tree system stinks, the unified inv still stinks.
glad it is working for you since I think you kinda posted in January you wanted it to be designed similar to this mess that was foisted on everyone.

'Windowfying' Eve

Solution:
Major discussion required for refinment well beyond what is mentioned here.

Merging Assests, Hanger Items, Ships into one convient window would be a godsend in my opinion
Managing to shove market and contracts into this as well a bit iffy but if can be done in a simple concise manner should be pursued none the less.

and you sure do like to play in the forums - congrats

curious are you getting isk from ccp. :)
i for one do not mind people talking about unsubbing or actually unsubbing. it's definitely thier money and thier time and if a business wants to keep that cash coming in they should listen to what they are saying.

make it a great day!
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#35 - 2012-07-11 08:36:56 UTC
I can tell you haven't glanced at the forums of many multiplayer games.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-07-11 10:37:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Oh how spoiled are we, the customers, asking for a company which we pay monthly, in addition to doing their beta testing for free, not to release a product full of well documented bugs and missing features.

How spoiled are we, because we get slightly offended, when a feature request in a feedback thread is met with a "you're doing it wrong, suck it" response.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#37 - 2012-07-11 10:38:25 UTC
I'm spoiled. I was the first to be spoiled.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-07-11 10:44:04 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Maybe more of the wow/tor/sto kids are comming over and we're having to deal with a new brand of immaturity, cluelessness, and undeservings.


Not empty quoting.

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Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#39 - 2012-07-11 10:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpymunky
Is this the competition where you're giving away some ISK to the most spoiled looking avatar?

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-07-11 11:35:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Generic Complaining is most unhelpful to anyone.
It's not particularly generic though…

Quote:
Slower?
Yes, slower. The UI itself is slower due to all the additional crap it has to populate itself with and the constant need to adjust and/or reset what you're looking at means you're spending time doing other things than moving items around.

only one slow thing i know: when i repackage lots of ships/containers it gets laggy for few seconds.
That's all.. What?

Tippia wrote:
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
People cry about anyting atm.
Aside from a few people crying about the amount of complaints, no really, no. Most of the displeasure is quite concentrated to a couple of key areas.

let me guess: these "key areas" are anything changed in game for last 2 years?

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