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What is the logic behind not being able to change race and/or faction?

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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#61 - 2012-05-24 13:16:20 UTC
Why do I feel like the OP has some sort of RL racist agenda he's trying to push?
Gonada
Fixers Corporation
Pillars of Liberty
#62 - 2012-05-24 13:19:43 UTC
The op is confused,this isn't wow. Poor guy, probably thinks he's a blackwoman trapped in a white mans body as well
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-05-24 13:25:32 UTC
Actually.... Don't care about changing race... but I would like to have a white punk style hair you get with the Caldari....

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#64 - 2012-05-24 13:26:50 UTC
Danks wrote:
Why do I feel like the OP has some sort of RL racist agenda he's trying to push?

I don't really see what your emotions have to do with anything here.

Gonada wrote:
The op is confused,this isn't wow. Poor guy, probably thinks he's a blackwoman trapped in a white mans body as well

In which way do I confuse this with WoW? No, I can't say I feel like a black woman trapped in a white man's body. Where did you get that from?

Listen, I have no problems with insults - I actually applaud good ones - but could you people at least make an intelligent effort?
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#65 - 2012-05-24 13:33:01 UTC
Truth be told, I actually think my Minmatar looks like a warrior beyond reproach, but I just don't feel it's a personality I wish to play, and the deeper CCP dives within the future of our avatars, the more meaning will the personality have.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-05-24 13:34:57 UTC
I will unsub if we can ever change our race or character name.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#67 - 2012-05-24 13:36:32 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I will unsub if we can ever change our race or character name.

No, you won't.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-05-24 13:41:56 UTC
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I will unsub if we can ever change our race or character name.

No, you won't.


Yes I will.

I unsubbed over Incarna. I came back after Crucible because EVE was going in the right direction again. I am NOT afraid to vote with my wallet.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#69 - 2012-05-24 13:42:51 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I will unsub if we can ever change our race or character name.

No, you won't.


Yes I will.

I unsubbed over Incarna. I came back after Crucible because EVE was going in the right direction again. I am NOT afraid to vote with my wallet.

Weren't you the guy creating that carebear-thread? I might see you unsub over something like that. What I don't see you do is unsub over me changing my race while you keep yours.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-05-24 13:45:39 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I will unsub if we can ever change our race or character name.

No, you won't.


Yes I will.

I unsubbed over Incarna. I came back after Crucible because EVE was going in the right direction again. I am NOT afraid to vote with my wallet.

Weren't you the guy creating that carebear-thread? I might see you unsub over something like that. What I don't see you do is unsub over me changing my race while you keep yours.


Race and name changes are the peak of carebearism. Carebearism is all about no risk for lots of reward.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#71 - 2012-05-24 13:46:20 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I will unsub if we can ever change our race or character name.

No, you won't.


Yes I will.

I unsubbed over Incarna. I came back after Crucible because EVE was going in the right direction again. I am NOT afraid to vote with my wallet.

Weren't you the guy creating that carebear-thread? I might see you unsub over something like that. What I don't see you do is unsub over me changing my race while you keep yours.


Race and name changes are the peak of carebearism.

That doesn't even make sense. Did you forget to take your pills? First you take the red one, then you take the blue one, then you get the women.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-05-24 13:49:38 UTC
Mijano wrote:

That doesn't even make sense. Did you forget to take your pills? First you take the red one, then you take the blue one, then you get the women.


Essentially, you're asking CCP to make the game easier for you because you can't HTFU and deal with the consequences (what few there are) of picking Minmattar as your race. You're just as bad as hulk pilots complaining that they deserve 300k EHP tanks while fitting a full mining setup.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#73 - 2012-05-24 13:55:49 UTC
OP - no reason as race means nothing anymore (if it ever did mean much).
At one point, your starting race/bloodlines helped determine your initial stats.
Not sure anymore.

Nothing clever at this time.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#74 - 2012-05-24 13:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mijano
masternerdguy wrote:
Mijano wrote:

That doesn't even make sense. Did you forget to take your pills? First you take the red one, then you take the blue one, then you get the women.


Essentially, you're asking CCP to make the game easier for you because you can't HTFU and deal with the consequences (what few there are) of picking Minmattar as your race. You're just as bad as hulk pilots complaining that they deserve 300k EHP tanks while fitting a full mining setup.

How will it become easier for me? Please, enlighten me, because I was under the impression that I wanted to change faction to change appearance and lore-background due to avatars giving us personalities, but perhaps you are under another impression.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#75 - 2012-05-24 13:58:46 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
OP - no reason as race means nothing anymore (if it ever did mean much).
At one point, your starting race/bloodlines helped determine your initial stats.
Not sure anymore.

This is, like I've said several times, exactly my point: race lacks beneficial purpose. Why then is it such a big "no-no"? If race actually had a purpose other than lore and cosmetics, then I'd understand it, but since it doesn't, which you agree with, why is it then so impossible for CCP to give us this opportunity?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-05-24 14:01:02 UTC
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Mijano wrote:

That doesn't even make sense. Did you forget to take your pills? First you take the red one, then you take the blue one, then you get the women.


Essentially, you're asking CCP to make the game easier for you because you can't HTFU and deal with the consequences (what few there are) of picking Minmattar as your race. You're just as bad as hulk pilots complaining that they deserve 300k EHP tanks while fitting a full mining setup.

How will it become easier for me? Please, enlighten me, because I was under the impression that I wanted to change faction to change appearance and lore-background due to avatar giving us personalities, but perhaps you are under another impression.


You chose to be a Minny! You want to change because for some reason you feel dissatisfied with that. Instead of rolling a new toon you come here to whine and complain that CCP should let you pull a full on identity change and become Caldari.

If they let you do that, it's a slipper slope towards name changes and other things that will negatively affect the sandbox. This game works because all actions have risks and rewards, and there are always consequences.

I'll make it really easy for you. CCP really said it best here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q&feature=player_detailpage#t=20s

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#77 - 2012-05-24 14:03:09 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
You chose to be a Minny! You want to change because for some reason you feel dissatisfied with that. Instead of rolling a new toon you come here to whine and complain that CCP should let you pull a full on identity change and become Caldari.

And this makes EVE easier ... how, exactly? I have Caldari toons. I want this one Caldari, too.

masternerdguy wrote:
If they let you do that, it's a slipper slope towards name changes and other things that will negatively affect the sandbox. This game works because all actions have risks and rewards, and there are always consequences.

No, it's not. Stupid. Stop being stupid.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-05-24 14:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief
OP,

Without reading the rest of the replies, I can guess you got a lot of negative replies, along the lines of "choice and consequence" and all that bunk that people here have been regurgitating for close to a decade now. The simple truth of it is, there is absolutely no reason why name change, race change or faction change shouldn't be implemented as a paid service. Aside from CCP's unwillingness to make money, that is.

Let's look at the "your name can't be changed because of your reputation in the game". Two words: Character Bazaar. I can make a Tengu pilot, behave like a total dork, then turn around and sell my character and buy a brand new Tengu pilot. Leaving my old name and notoriety behind, and re-entering the game as someone else to wreak more havoc. So much for "your name is your identity". If CCP was serious about this, they would assign one tag to a real physical person (name and address on the bill for the original game purchase), and use that to ID players. Then, and only then, would a character name mean anything.

Sex change? Goes along with the name change. Again, make a male Tengu pilot. Get tired of him. Sell him. Buy a female Tengu pilot. Viola, name + sex change. All within the rules. It's already being done. So why not simply sell a sex or name change as a service? More $$$ for CCP.

Race change? Again, goes with name + sex change, but it is even more meaningless. Really, what does race affect in EVE? Nothing! My character is a Caldari who is bloody HATED by the Caldari and Amarr, and loved by Gallente and Minmatar. And I mostly fly Gallente drone boats, for crying out loud! So what does race mean? Nothing! So why not allow us to change it, again as a paid service? What would be so horrible about Jame Jarl Retief changing from Caldari Deteis to Gallente Intaki?! More importantly, would anyone even friggin' NOTICE? I highly doubt it.

Heck, you could make skill refunds a paid service too. At this point I can hear the roar of bittervets already, which makes it all the more funny. Guess what? Character Bazaar! Look, I make a char, and I get him to 10 mil SP in drones. I decide I don't like drones. So I reroll, months of training down the drain. Choice and consequence? Methinks not! What I do is sell my character, and buy a character with 10 mi SP in missiles, which is what I want. And in the process I get: a new identity (char name) and possibly a new race AND gender change! Not one or two or three but FOUR birds with one stone!

Bottom line, you'll be fed a lot of bunk in this thread, but logically there's really no reason to keep things set in stone as they are. Just look at Blizzard. They're making millions selling virtual ponies to morons. There's no reason for CCP not to offer these things as a paid service, not for ISK or AUR but cold, hard cash. And people will do it. Free money with very little work. But nooo...EVE is cold and harsh. And in the vacuum nobody can hear you make logical arguments! Big smile
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#79 - 2012-05-24 14:06:18 UTC
FFS, people will cry about anything today.

If you dont like whom you are, re-roll.

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-05-24 14:07:27 UTC
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
You chose to be a Minny! You want to change because for some reason you feel dissatisfied with that. Instead of rolling a new toon you come here to whine and complain that CCP should let you pull a full on identity change and become Caldari.

And this makes EVE easier ... how, exactly? I have Caldari toons. I want this one Caldari, too.

masternerdguy wrote:
If they let you do that, it's a slipper slope towards name changes and other things that will negatively affect the sandbox. This game works because all actions have risks and rewards, and there are always consequences.

No, it's not. Stupid. Stop being stupid.


It makes it easier in your warped mind. You've convinced yourself you need to change races to be happy. Also, I am not going to regurgitate all the reasons why changing identities is bad for the sandbox. Those threads cropped up every week for a while, search is your friend.

A quick story, for lulz.
I was gallente when I started.

I discovered caldari and learned their ships, shield tanking, and became friendly to their agents.
I was in caldari fw against the gallente as an FC for a while.

I am now KOS in gallente space.

However, I have never begged CCP to make my toon caldari.

Things are only impossible until they are not.