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What is the logic behind not being able to change race and/or faction?
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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-05-24 12:17:36 UTC
Serious response: Too much work for CCP, considering you get racial frig/gunnery/missile skills when you pick a race. What would happen to skills if i were to become Minmatar ?

I kinda know how you feel OP, i picked Gallente/Gallente/Immigrants back in 2007 because they had the most handsome male avatars.

While I know that each faction has different clothes and base face structure they are all good looking now :).
Tallis Lindisere
Farne Corp
#42 - 2012-05-24 12:17:41 UTC
Do me a favour, don't just pick one quote out of my post that backs your point up.

Does race matter?

Your Reply .......no.


I went on to say .......paraphrasing because I can't be bothered to go back to get exactly what I said.

I suspect it would take a bit of work for CCP to code the ability, may not be as easy as you think. Theres been enough of a bitchfest about game play in the past few days to add another to the mix. Hoping CCP concentrate on game play issues not cosmetic issues.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#43 - 2012-05-24 12:22:44 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Serious response: Too much work for CCP, considering you get racial frig/gunnery/missile skills when you pick a race. What would happen to skills if i were to become Minmatar ?

I kinda know how you feel OP, i picked Gallente/Gallente/Immigrants back in 2007 because they had the most handsome male avatars.

While I know that each faction has different clothes and base face structure they are all good looking now :).

It seems like a coding and then just putting it on all avatars, but I might of course be wrong and I'd never claim knowledge in whatever computer-language CCP uses.

Tallis Lindisere wrote:
Do me a favour, don't just pick one quote out of my post that backs your point up.

Does race matter?

Your Reply .......no.


I went on to say .......paraphrasing because I can't be bothered to go back to get exactly what I said.

I suspect it would take a bit of work for CCP to code the ability, may not be as easy as you think. Theres been enough of a bitchfest about game play in the past few days to add another to the mix. Hoping CCP concentrate on game play issues not cosmetic issues.

That is not something I have done.

Are you, like me, a layman? Because from a layman's point of view I don't see the hardship in completely removing the benefits and standings as penalty for changing race.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#44 - 2012-05-24 12:23:09 UTC
Mijano wrote:

That's my point: it's pointless. It doesn't hurt, and it doesn't gain; i.e. it's not a big deal.


It's kind of is a big deal to waste development/testing time on a pointless feature. But like I said it would also ruin the RP/Lore aspect if you allow people to switch races all the time.


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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2012-05-24 12:23:34 UTC
Mijano wrote:
But that isn't true either. I was born black but did a Michael Jackson to my Minmatar. How is that me living with my choices?
You still have the same race, bloodline, (and even ancestry, if the character is old enough).
You picked them; you live with them.

The mere fact that you want to change them is the reason you can't: because you have to live with the choices you made.
reamau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-05-24 12:26:07 UTC
There is a way to do it- it just costs all your skill points. Biomass that char, and recreate as the new desired race.

My personal guess though, is that since it makes no gameplay difference that it has never been deemed important enough to implement.

Maybe you should start a petition thread for it, and if you get lots of others agreeing with you then CCP might take notice. I also hear that threatening to unsub over an issue gets lots of sympathy from other players.

Inferno: almost as fun as chewing used medical syringes.

Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-05-24 12:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Haha, just had an idea.

Imagine a big FW corp/alliance all switch to the same race to their enemy's and use the opposite faction weapons.
Example: Amarr FW corp/alliance all become Minmatar for a week. Now you have Minmatar all flying Amarr ships blowing up more Minmatar :D...............................mind boggling.

It would be done for "lolz" ofcourse but it would completely kill RP'ers or those who are actually interested in lore/eve books.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#48 - 2012-05-24 12:28:51 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Mijano wrote:

That's my point: it's pointless. It doesn't hurt, and it doesn't gain; i.e. it's not a big deal.


It's kind of is a big deal to waste development/testing time on a pointless feature. But like I said it would also ruin the RP/Lore aspect if you allow people to switch races all the time.



What is pointless for you isn't pointless for me, and I don't see how it would ruin RP/lore aspects since people would probably be more interested in it if they could change race now when races actually have personalities.

Tippia wrote:
Mijano wrote:
But that isn't true either. I was born black but did a Michael Jackson to my Minmatar. How is that me living with my choices?
You still have the same race, bloodline, (and even ancestry, if the character is old enough).
You picked them; you live with them.

The mere fact that you want to change them is the reason you can't: because you have to live with the choices you made.


No, my apologies, but that's a load of crap. I was born black and now I'm white. That in no way signifies me living with my choices considering that Brutor is the only black bloodline in the entire game.
Francisco Bizzaro
#49 - 2012-05-24 12:30:33 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Are you, like me, a layman? Because from a layman's point of view I don't see the hardship in completely removing the benefits and standings as penalty for changing race.

Standings are not just a benefit, they may also be a penalty. You are asking for the ability to pay to remove genuine consequences of your past decisions.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#50 - 2012-05-24 12:31:05 UTC
reamau wrote:
There is a way to do it- it just costs all your skill points. Biomass that char, and recreate as the new desired race.

My personal guess though, is that since it makes no gameplay difference that it has never been deemed important enough to implement.

Maybe you should start a petition thread for it, and if you get lots of others agreeing with you then CCP might take notice. I also hear that threatening to unsub over an issue gets lots of sympathy from other players.



Though you might be a bit late for that since a lot of the ones likely to join in the unsub fest have probably already unsubbed, though you might get a few of those that just say they will at the drop of a hat and never actually do.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#51 - 2012-05-24 12:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mijano
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:
Mijano wrote:
Are you, like me, a layman? Because from a layman's point of view I don't see the hardship in completely removing the benefits and standings as penalty for changing race.

Standings are not just a benefit, they may also be a penalty. You are asking for the ability to pay to remove genuine consequences of your past decisions.

No, actually, I said I wanted the standings to stay but people argued about that, and when I argued that all right, remove them, you're now gonna argue against that, too.

Make up your mind - and by "you" I mean all those whom finds it necessary to pick drawers with a magnifying glass so you won't find yourselves without arguments speaking against race-change where standings follow.
Tallis Lindisere
Farne Corp
#52 - 2012-05-24 12:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallis Lindisere
Tallis Lindisere wrote:
Do me a favour, don't just pick one quote out of my post that backs your point up.

Does race matter?

Your Reply .......no.


I went on to say .......paraphrasing because I can't be bothered to go back to get exactly what I said.

I suspect it would take a bit of work for CCP to code the ability, may not be as easy as you think. Theres been enough of a bitchfest about game play in the past few days to add another to the mix. Hoping CCP concentrate on game play issues not cosmetic issues.


That is not something I have done.

Are you, like me, a layman? Because from a layman's point of view I don't see the hardship in completely removing the benefits and standings as penalty for changing race.[/quote]

Sorry Mijano, but you did take one sentence. But never mind.

****Above is all quotes, for some reason the quote option didn't pick up on it*****

Nope definately not a layman, nor a layperson. I work in tech development department. Gawd knows how convoluted the EVE code is, by all accounts and the stories that CCP relate, it's very, remember some of this code is going to be 9 years old. And like they did with Crimewatch they tinkered, not replaced. I'm not sure I would want to get in and make any change purely for cosmetic reasons like this on a system that is not giving any problems. Doesn't appear to be any massive demand for it. First time I have ever seen anyone suggest it, which for EVE is a first.

Even if CCP put a charge on it, the cost benefit of time spent making the change to the numbers of people who it would matter to are way out of whack.

And after a couple weeks of skilling, the skill benefits you do get from opting for a race are gone.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#53 - 2012-05-24 12:43:20 UTC
Just biomass yourself and start again - there's your mechanic for a race change.

Obviously all your current skills are tied to being the dirty Minmatar that you are, and however it is you manage to understand things in a tiny Minmatar brain would not directly translate into a Caldari's way of thinking. So you'll start over knowing nothing, but hey, you'll have made that all-important race change that you've been dreaming about.



I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#54 - 2012-05-24 12:44:45 UTC
Tallis Lindisere wrote:
Sorry Mijano, but you did take one sentence. But never mind.

Nope definately not a layman, nor a layperson. I work in tech development department. Gawd knows how convoluted the EVE code is, by all accounts and the stories that CCP relate, it's very, remember some of this code is going to be 9 years old. And like they did with Crimewatch they tinkered, not replaced. I'm not sure I would want to get in and make any change purely for cosmetic reasons like this on a system that is not giving any problems. Doesn't appear to be any massive demand for it. First time I have ever seen anyone suggest it, which for EVE is a first.

Even if CCP put a charge on it, the cost benefit of time spent making the change to the numbers of people who it would matter to are way out of whack.

And after a couple weeks of skilling, the skill benefits you do get from opting for a race are gone.

I still don't see that as a valid argument. CCP could easily charge people €15 or €20 for a race change and they would definitely make up their money.

I understand you're against the concept, while I obviously am not. My point is, though, that CCP has no valid game mechanic arguments for why this isn't possible. Bad and good standings could easily follow, likewise could the few thousand faction SP's.
reamau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-05-24 12:45:50 UTC
From a pure database perspective, the race, subrace, social, etc data that are part of racial selection probably take up just two hex values in a longer string, and the actual coding to make a screen that lets people reset them would be trivial.

The fact that they don't let you resculpt your features regularly indicates to me that they want people to live with the consequences of their choices.

While they just gave a free resculpt since the avatar generator got an upgrade, it shows that CCP does care about that level of detail.

If they did some major change that race suddenly mattered, my guess is they would then offer a racial change. Till then, I'd bet you are out of luck.



Inferno: almost as fun as chewing used medical syringes.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#56 - 2012-05-24 12:46:54 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Just biomass yourself and start again - there's your mechanic for a race change.

Obviously all your current skills are tied to being the dirty Minmatar that you are, and however it is you manage to understand things in a tiny Minmatar brain would not directly translate into a Caldari's way of thinking. So you'll start over knowing nothing, but hey, you'll have made that all-important race change that you've been dreaming about.




Hey! If Americas poverty stricken people still call themselves patriots, then a race change on my part shouldn't cause such alarm.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#57 - 2012-05-24 12:48:13 UTC
reamau wrote:
If they did some major change that race suddenly mattered, my guess is they would then offer a racial change. Till then, I'd bet you are out of luck.

Yes, it is my profound hope that they will take faction warfare beyond the horizon and feel it necessary to give us the possibility.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#58 - 2012-05-24 12:52:49 UTC
When racial blending comes. You might just get that one time do-over. And if not, you can slide that mixer as far to Caldari as you can.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-05-24 12:58:52 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Are there no moderators on these forums? Where was Darwin when evolution brought you people forth? He would be so disappointed.

you are so critical to your posts.....

Better would be first think about Darwin and only then... post here? To not ashame yourself after?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#60 - 2012-05-24 13:10:00 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
When racial blending comes. You might just get that one time do-over. And if not, you can slide that mixer as far to Caldari as you can.

I hope I'll be able to. I guess I'll have to serve the Republic 'til then.

March rabbit wrote:
Mijano wrote:
Are there no moderators on these forums? Where was Darwin when evolution brought you people forth? He would be so disappointed.

you are so critical to your posts.....

Better would be first think about Darwin and only then... post here? To not ashame yourself after?

You must be logical if you're to insult people. Boring is boring.