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What is the logic behind not being able to change race and/or faction?
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#21 - 2012-05-24 12:02:43 UTC
Out of curiosity why do you even want to change factions? In answering that it should answer why they won't allow it.

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Francisco Bizzaro
#22 - 2012-05-24 12:02:58 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Choices and consequences.

Want to be Caldari? Roll a new char.

I have.

I am not interested in your subjective views on the matter. I want to know why it's such a big "no-no" equal to changing our character name, which we aren't allowed to do since our names have reputation within New Eden. Changing faction wouldn't create consequences and I don't see why points with agents couldn't be swapped to the equivalent amount in another faction.

Clearly for you changing faction does have consequences, otherwise you wouldn't be asking for it.

Why did you choose a minmatar character if you are so anti-minimatar? I think their backstory is clearly explained for the role-players.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#23 - 2012-05-24 12:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Mijano wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Choices and consequences.

Want to be Caldari? Roll a new char.

I have.

I am not interested in your subjective views on the matter. I want to know why it's such a big "no-no" equal to changing our character name, which we aren't allowed to do since our names have reputation within New Eden. Changing faction wouldn't create consequences and I don't see why points with agents couldn't be swapped to the equivalent amount in another faction.


Allright, here's a non-subjective argument: If everyone can chance Race on a whim, it stops to matter and CCP could just abandon them (though they already matter a lot less then they used to). If there are no real consequences, a choice is no real choice.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2012-05-24 12:04:06 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Well, my essential point is that race now has a bigger meaning than it did before thanks to us being avatars. What we chose was never a faction because we joined player corporations with ethnic diversity where race and faction never was an issue, but it changed; we went from babies to people; we gave ourselves a personality by how we chose to let other people view us - and faction suddenly starts to matter other than if we wish to cross-train or not.
…but none of that has changed in the slightest. We're still just the images taken by the character creator, just like before. So it has the same meaning as ever. Moreover, if that should at any point become more meaningful, then that would mean there's even less reason to let people switch races (for much the same reason you can't switch names).
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#25 - 2012-05-24 12:05:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mijano wrote:
Many games lets people change faction and whatever point a character has scored for his or hers faction receives an equivalent amount of points in the factions he or she is changing into.
Good thing that there is no “score” for your “faction” in this game, then. That kind of removes the need to make any such changes.

What's the problem with being minmatar?
If you want to sell out to the Caldari, just do so.

Tallis Lindisere wrote:
Does race make a difference?
Not in the slightest.

Of course there is not. We don't at all make standings with different factional agents. I am completely misinformed.

I just like Caldari, but whether I like Caldari or don't, or you do or don't, isn't really the point. I am asking why it's such a big deal for CCP since it doesn't really alter anything else than our appearance; enemies would still recognize us as enemies, and the standings we have with our agents could be swapped - or lost as a cost - to the equivalent amount in the other faction.

Ituhata Saken wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
You would confuse the **** out of your agents. "Same name but clearly a different person, yeah, seems legit." - Your typical agent.


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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#26 - 2012-05-24 12:06:46 UTC
You have no sense of humor.

So close...
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#27 - 2012-05-24 12:07:09 UTC
Jafit wrote:
Op I think you should just skill yourself ... for Caldari

All that matters is skills and standings, character race is totally irrelevant. If you care so much then change your avatar to look as Caldari as possible and nobody will ever know or care. Otherwise just train an alt.

I have trained an alt, several, in fact, but I thank you for this previously known information. I had no idea we could train alts.

I shall contact you if I need more obvious information.
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
#28 - 2012-05-24 12:07:17 UTC
You already can change factions, fly to the faction space, do their missions/run their faction warfare.

Having full re-sculpt every time CCP adds new stuff to char creator is already too much.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#29 - 2012-05-24 12:08:26 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
You have no sense of humor.

Or maybe I'm just tired of your endless trolling in each and every thread you lay eyes upon. Don't expect either laughter or respect when you act like an idiot.
Francisco Bizzaro
#30 - 2012-05-24 12:08:46 UTC
Mijano wrote:
I just like Caldari, but whether I like Caldari or don't, or you do or don't, isn't really the point. I am asking why it's such a big deal for CCP since it doesn't really alter anything else than our appearance; enemies would still recognize us as enemies, and the standings we have with our agents could be swapped - or lost as a cost - to the equivalent amount in the other faction.

I see. So you're not just talking about a cosmetic change, you would like to make a change with consequences by re-mapping your faction standings.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#31 - 2012-05-24 12:09:29 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
You have no sense of humor.

Or maybe I'm just tired of your endless trolling in each and every thread you lay eyes upon. Don't expect either laughter or respect when you act like an idiot.


Yeah, sorry that you missed the part where I agreed with you.

So close...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2012-05-24 12:10:27 UTC
Mijano wrote:
I am asking why it's such a big deal for CCP since it doesn't really alter anything else than our appearance;
But you can alter your appearance. You just can't change your race, because it doesn't make much sense to do so — less than being able to change your name, in fact. It's the standard EVE thing: you make you choices and you live by them.

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and the standings we have with our agents could be swapped - or lost as a cost - to the equivalent amount in the other faction.
…see, that's an excellent reason not to do it. If you want to “swap” standings, you have to work for it. You can already do it, but paying to skip the game mechanics behind it is a very bad idea.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#33 - 2012-05-24 12:11:00 UTC
Alrione wrote:
You already can change factions, fly to the faction space, do their missions/run their faction warfare.

Having full re-sculpt every time CCP adds new stuff to char creator is already too much.

I know, but it's more the avatar I speak of, or when you read my information and it says Minmatar I wish it to say Caldari.

What is the reason CCP is so against this? That is what I'm wondering. I understand most of you whom are satisfied with your earlier choices - or maybe just don't care - doesn't feel the way I do, but that also makes your point of view uninteresting as you hitherto haven't been able to argue why CCP would rather make black Caldari and white Minmatar than they would let us change races.
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
#34 - 2012-05-24 12:13:11 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Alrione wrote:
You already can change factions, fly to the faction space, do their missions/run their faction warfare.

Having full re-sculpt every time CCP adds new stuff to char creator is already too much.

I know, but it's more the avatar I speak of, or when you read my information and it says Minmatar I wish it to say Caldari.

What is the reason CCP is so against this? That is what I'm wondering. I understand most of you whom are satisfied with your earlier choices - or maybe just don't care - doesn't feel the way I do, but that also makes your point of view uninteresting as you hitherto haven't been able to argue why CCP would rather make black Caldari and white Minmatar than they would let us change races.


Because its your characters RACE not faction.
Also allowing people switch races would ruing a lot of things, especially for RP-ers.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-05-24 12:13:42 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
You should be ashamed. Wanting to go from a proud matari to a corporate scum rat Caldari pilot.

What a proud race we are; letting ourselves become enslaved by religious fanatics!


You are from the Us , are you?

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Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#36 - 2012-05-24 12:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mijano
Tippia wrote:
Mijano wrote:
I am asking why it's such a big deal for CCP since it doesn't really alter anything else than our appearance;
But you can alter your appearance. You just can't change your race, because it doesn't make much sense to do so — less than being able to change your name, in fact. It's the standard EVE thing: you make you choices and you live by them.

But that isn't true either. I was born black but did a Michael Jackson to my Minmatar. How is that me living with my choices?

Tippia wrote:
…see, that's an excellent reason not to do it. If you want to “swap” standings, you have to work for it. You can already do it, but paying to skip the game mechanics behind it is a very bad idea.

I'm not speaking about swapping to earn anything. Lets just say you lose all your standings as a cost in my idea.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#37 - 2012-05-24 12:14:50 UTC
The primary reason is because it would be pointless. Currently there is almost no difference between the different races other then cosmetic. Which even cosmetics of the different factions has been toned down to look similar. You can train any ship, join any faction militia, and do missions from any of the corps. So its something that kills the RP/Lore aspect more then it benefits the player with changing.

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Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#38 - 2012-05-24 12:15:35 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Mijano wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
You should be ashamed. Wanting to go from a proud matari to a corporate scum rat Caldari pilot.

What a proud race we are; letting ourselves become enslaved by religious fanatics!


You are from the Us , are you?

I'd hang myself.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#39 - 2012-05-24 12:16:27 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
The primary reason is because it would be pointless. Currently there is almost no difference between the different races other then cosmetic. Which even cosmetics of the different factions has been toned down to look similar. You can train any ship, join any faction militia, and do missions from any of the corps. So its something that kills the RP/Lore aspect more then it benefits the player with changing.

That's my point: it's pointless. It doesn't hurt, and it doesn't gain; i.e. it's not a big deal.
Francisco Bizzaro
#40 - 2012-05-24 12:17:00 UTC
Mijano wrote:
I'm not speaking about swapping to earn anything. Lets just say you lose all your standings as a cost in my idea.

There are already ways to lose standings to Minmatar at no cost.