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Way to make new players not subscibe CCP...

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-05-24 06:53:29 UTC
Father Stone wrote:
and as many others, I assist new guys in getting them prepared agaist aggressors. To a point where I now have the one guy killing older players that can flip him when he mines by coming back in his t1 rifter.

You will find there are people willing to assist with these things. You are more than welcome to contact me.


Do you think you can take on 2 strategic-battlecruisers?

That's all that's scary so far..


What is a Strategic Battle Cruiser?

I know a BattleCruiser and I know a Strategic Cruiser. Is it a new type of ship?

Anyway.. we are trying to help the dude get hang of the game any and all help is always useful.

And yes if you meant can I take down 2 battlecruiser... I have done so a month or two ago using a cruiser.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-05-24 06:54:50 UTC
Garnoo wrote:
its like 'iam back in this pvp game, but when ill be engaged in pvp by accident ill unsub...' cya

Forums alts are here to tell you they'll unsub.

At least they aren't doing it because of the inventory, eh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Father Stone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-05-24 07:00:56 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
What is a Strategic Battle Cruiser?

I know a BattleCruiser and I know a Strategic Cruiser. Is it a new type of ship?

Anyway.. we are trying to help the dude get hang of the game any and all help is always useful.

And yes if you meant can I take down 2 battlecruiser... I have done so a month or two ago using a cruiser.


I've corrected myself, I said the wrong thing Strategic-Cruiser is what I meant to say :P
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#24 - 2012-05-24 07:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
You will avoid the worst things in EVE by leaving hisec:

- wardecs
- boredom
- suicide ganks
- local scammers
- CONCORD
- overcrowded systems

And the best part- you will learn to take of yourself and your buddies. Teamwork will get a whole new meaning.

Also, less often mentioned bonus: Outside hisec you are someone to others, not just a meaningless name among dozens and dozens of nobodies.

.

Jonathan Barnet
Raytheon Heavy Industries
#25 - 2012-05-24 07:09:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
its like 'iam back in this pvp game, but when ill be engaged in pvp by accident ill unsub...' cya

Forums alts are here to tell you they'll unsub.

At least they aren't doing it because of the inventory, eh.


I have no problem posting on my main also. The OP was more a comment from a new players perspective of the game, and what I see as a deterrent for new players like myself to continue playing the game. As I have mentioned earlier, I am considering not renewing my subscription, but I always like a challenge and am more than likely to continue playing the game.

Had I started playing this game 6 months ago, I'd probably not find myself making this post. Timing is everything and I have clearly decided to play this game at a point where it is more beneficial for a new player to play solo, corp free, rather than to join a corp early, make new friends and start enjoying the game.

PS the new inventory is fine, if not better than the 1000s of tab that you used to have open.
Donatella D'Tren
Section 8.
#26 - 2012-05-24 07:13:58 UTC
Drath DeLeonval wrote:
Don't get me wrong, one of the factors that pulled me towards playing EVE was the factor of risk involved, I actually like the idea that once killed I have to start over.

So you like the concept of risk but don't want to take any yourself?

Drath DeLeonval wrote:
Being pod killed only 4 days into this game isn't my kind of fun, and not a reason from me to renew my subscription to the game.

It's called risk.

Drath DeLeonval wrote:
there is no 'real' fun in a corp coming in from null sec and stopping a bunch on new players from progressing in the game.

We don't care about your mining corp, I promise.

Drath DeLeonval wrote:
The corp that I recently joined was formed only a few weeks back. We had war declared on us the moment Inferno launched. the lol is a ransom of 1 billion ISK or death... the whole value of the corp would not even total 25% of the ransom... we we are stuck in dock by players that we have never meet in game before, just because they can.

Yeah that worked before Inferno. Now, you can actually ask for help in the merc marketplace.
Bill Lane
Strategic Insanity
FUBAR.
#27 - 2012-05-24 07:18:04 UTC
Garnoo wrote:
its like 'iam back in this pvp game, but when ill be engaged in pvp by accident ill unsub...' cya


Typical moron goon post. This is strictly a PVP game huh? No. If it wasn't we wouldn't have PVE, mining, exploration, etc. Is every goon member in this game a complete idiot? All they want is to kill highsec, blah blah blah. How are new players supposed to get into the game? They don't care. Everything should be done their way or no way.

Every time a goon opens his/her mouth on these forums, their whole alliance and the people in it look more dumb than we had originally thought. Do us all a favor: STFU. Nobody actually cares about your opinions, and really you are mediocre trolls at best. Carry on.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#28 - 2012-05-24 07:20:01 UTC
Drath DeLeonval wrote:
snake pies wrote:
your simply lack enough knowledge to avoid getting killed, there are ways to make yourself scarce, you must learn it.

Start by flying frigates and destroyers only.


I there, yes I guess it is a lack of knowledge on my part, only being a few days into this game. I would much appreciated it if you were hand down to me your vast knowledge in not being killed by a far superior force who are camping the station you am at. This would be great appreciated, as I would like to further my experience in the game.


Mate create an alt and fly out of other stations for a while to carry on learning the game. Hey your main will still be training so no loss there. Don't present them targets and eventually they will get bored and go .....

The other trick is to get out fo station right before or right after downtime, likely hood is they won't be on yet or not n numbers to stop you and get out of the area or start looking for there stragglers to pick off in a guerilla campaign. Use cheap ships and learn from the PVP experience.


Hope it goes well


Tal




Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-05-24 07:20:18 UTC
Father Stone wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
What is a Strategic Battle Cruiser?

I know a BattleCruiser and I know a Strategic Cruiser. Is it a new type of ship?

Anyway.. we are trying to help the dude get hang of the game any and all help is always useful.

And yes if you meant can I take down 2 battlecruiser... I have done so a month or two ago using a cruiser.


I've corrected myself, I said the wrong thing Strategic-Cruiser is what I meant to say :P


Ah yes... I have done that before using my Strategic Cruiser... Legion vs 2 Tengu's

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Father Stone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-24 07:21:33 UTC
Bill Lane wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
its like 'iam back in this pvp game, but when ill be engaged in pvp by accident ill unsub...' cya


Typical moron goon post. This is strictly a PVP game huh? No. If it wasn't we wouldn't have PVE, mining, exploration, etc. Is every goon member in this game a complete idiot? All they want is to kill highsec, blah blah blah. How are new players supposed to get into the game? They don't care. Everything should be done their way or no way.

Every time a goon opens his/her mouth on these forums, their whole alliance and the people in it look more dumb than we had originally thought. Do us all a favor: STFU. Nobody actually cares about your opinions, and really you are mediocre trolls at best. Carry on.


The 1st person on the forum that makes sense haha.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-05-24 07:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Bill Lane wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
its like 'iam back in this pvp game, but when ill be engaged in pvp by accident ill unsub...' cya


Typical moron goon post. This is strictly a PVP game huh? No. If it wasn't we wouldn't have PVE, mining, exploration, etc. Is every goon member in this game a complete idiot? All they want is to kill highsec, blah blah blah. How are new players supposed to get into the game? They don't care. Everything should be done their way or no way.

Every time a goon opens his/her mouth on these forums, their whole alliance and the people in it look more dumb than we had originally thought. Do us all a favor: STFU. Nobody actually cares about your opinions, and really you are mediocre trolls at best. Carry on.


But you know anyone can attack you anywhere, at anytime.

You can't say you don't, the stories about Eve are too prolific, and rookie help is plagued with horror stories and mind-numbing amounts of "DON'T GO INTO NULL" "DON'T TRUST ANYONE" and insane amounts of "I WAS GANKED" stories.

Complaining about this aspect of the game will get you nowhere, as that is part of what makes it an amazing game. Risk vs reward creates player-driven content, which in turn creates a sense of community.

And actually...Goons and TEST have the best new player experiences of anyone. So please, take your own advice and stfu. He was making a solid point, disguised as a troll.

Byenao

TL;DR: Joining a known pvp-centric game and complaining about pvp is stupid.

OP: Get your corp to hire mercs to defend you, or follow the other advice regarding bookmarks, etc.

Hello, hello again.

Father Stone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-05-24 07:24:36 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Drath DeLeonval wrote:
snake pies wrote:
your simply lack enough knowledge to avoid getting killed, there are ways to make yourself scarce, you must learn it.

Start by flying frigates and destroyers only.


I there, yes I guess it is a lack of knowledge on my part, only being a few days into this game. I would much appreciated it if you were hand down to me your vast knowledge in not being killed by a far superior force who are camping the station you am at. This would be great appreciated, as I would like to further my experience in the game.


Mate create an alt and fly out of other stations for a while to carry on learning the game. Hey your main will still be training so no loss there. Don't present them targets and eventually they will get bored and go .....

The other trick is to get out fo station right before or right after downtime, likely hood is they won't be on yet or not n numbers to stop you and get out of the area or start looking for there stragglers to pick off in a guerilla campaign. Use cheap ships and learn from the PVP experience.


Hope it goes well


Tal






Another smart and helpful post.
Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
#33 - 2012-05-24 07:29:53 UTC
Drath, you're new so have yet to learn some basic survival tactics that are easy to implement. You'll pick them up quickly enough; L0ck earlier on in your thread has mentioned most of them. Once you get the hang of these basic tactics you will be nigh on unkillable if you decide you don't wish to be ganked. The main ones I think you will find immediately useful are (1) use of local to prewarn you of trouble (2) bookmarks a few hundred km directly in line with station undocks so that upon undocking you can immediately warp away with absolutely no aligning (3) fly agile ships that can warp away upon jumping through a gate with little chance of getting warp disrupted as align/warp time is less than most lock times.
Bill Lane
Strategic Insanity
FUBAR.
#34 - 2012-05-24 07:33:44 UTC
Degren wrote:


But you know anyone can attack you anywhere, at anytime.

You can't say you don't, the stories about Eve are too prolific, and rookie help is plagued with horror stories and mind-numbing amounts of "DON'T GO INTO NULL" "DON'T TRUST ANYONE" and insane amounts of "I WAS GANKED" stories.

Complaining about this aspect of the game will get you nowhere, as that is part of what makes it an amazing game. Risk vs reward creates player-driven content, which in turn creates a sense of community.


I agree with you there Degren. The 'Don't go into null' crap needs to stop as it is not the right attitude. There's a lot of different things eve has to offer, and should be experienced. I'm just tired of the typical goon attitude of 'PVP or you shouldn't play' It just shows how simple minded goons really are. It's their way or no way, and it has gotten old.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#35 - 2012-05-24 07:46:34 UTC
Sugar Kyle wrote:
First, have some insta undocks made. They are useful. Undock one day, while not at war, and let your ship drift past 150k from the station. Bookmark this. Poof. Next time you want to leave your station when camped, undock, hit the insta undock, and then go about your merry way.


Newbie question: Does this work when I use my afterburner, too, or do I have to "drift" just with the normal engine to get a workable bookmark?
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#36 - 2012-05-24 08:10:30 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Sugar Kyle wrote:
First, have some insta undocks made. They are useful. Undock one day, while not at war, and let your ship drift past 150k from the station. Bookmark this. Poof. Next time you want to leave your station when camped, undock, hit the insta undock, and then go about your merry way.


Newbie question: Does this work when I use my afterburner, too, or do I have to "drift" just with the normal engine to get a workable bookmark?


You can do it in any drive mode, AB, MWD etc

Tal


Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#37 - 2012-05-24 08:17:22 UTC
As various people said, Instas and grid loads are your friends, DScanner is always and excellent tool and can help you identify what is around you, so you can assess the situation better, fast ships are hard to catch unless your fighting ships specifically designed to counter them (Instalock Canes and Panic Zealots for instance).

Finally, learn to defend yourself, fly only what you can afford to lose and dont be afraid to explode, then just ask why you exploded and learn not to do it, just dont give up on it.

Also, train Thermodynamics, it wins EVE
sneekyninja
The High and Mighty
#38 - 2012-05-24 08:24:40 UTC
Drath DeLeonval wrote:
A simple solution, war can be declared only after an act of aggression has been committed by one party to another.



By my count you've committed three heinous acts of aggression

1) Logging on
2) Mining
3) Making this thread.

And yes, all of those reasons are considered legitimate by most players.

But really tho, welcome to eve. Being pod killed after only 4 days shouldn't be an issue, on the contrary, your pods are cheap. Just wait until your empty clones cost more than the ship you're flying, then you can start to complain about that one.

Please contact me in game if you'd like to give it another shot, i'd be happy to provide you with some advice. You aren't as 'stuck in a station' as you think you are.
Signal11th
#39 - 2012-05-24 08:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Father Stone wrote:
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Newbie myself and I definetely will stay for a while - I have played Everquest2 since it started until this January, and this already was an huge game with lots to learn, but EVE beats it by a dozen - all the EVE-related internet sites have stuff to read to keep me occupied the next years. ;)

With my 14 days knowledge I dare to say that EVE pvp looks pretty balanced - much more then EQ2 at least. A higher level char at EQ2 would never have a chance against a lower level char, regardless of skill, but here a smaller ship can beat a bigger ship - so I don't think you are right to consider the "bigger ships" the goal or the "end game" of EVE. Just my 2 cent, ofc.

I do have a newbie question, though: Do you have the chance to NOT be in a corporation, like you say? I thought you always have to be in a corporation!?



I don't mean to be rude, but Pvp isn't balanced so to say, I mean a teir 1 frig won't beat a teir 3 frig with both the best pvp set up.
That's what's happening to our corp at the moment. We're a corp of miners who were blackmailed into giving them 1 billion 1sk, and if we didn't they would declare war on us, which has happened. They have players with teir 3 ships, we have only mining equipment.

So we've resorted to sitting in hanger and skilling up, that's broken gamplay at it's finest



Actually wrong look at the killboards there are plenty of rifters killing drams and daredevils. Just because your an old player doesn;t actually mean your any good at PVP (christ I'm useless at it).

EVE is more about knowledge than anything else and specifically understanding completely the knowledge you have been given.
I was lucky when I started I joined a good corp who taught me the ropes this is exactly what you need to do. You will learn more about EVE from a good corp than you ever will from trying to figure it all out yourself.


Getting killed is a very valuable learning tool, everytime it happens try and figure out how it happened and what you can do next time to try and fix it. It's not always possible but getting killed in EVE is pretty much the same as collecting chicken feathers in WOW nobody likes doing it but it's needed in order for you to evolve your character.

Most of the "I don;t like EVE" threads I read are basically because the newer pilot has joined a crap corp, join a good one and like me you'll be sad, socially inept and addicted. Lol

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2012-05-24 08:36:40 UTC
One of the first tutorial missions pods you.

This is CCP telling new players that it's something that happens to everybody, and that you are an immortal capsuleer who can only lose what he choose to undock in, and a replaceable clone.

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