Jita Park Speakers Corner

Ok, I want one thing understood before you all begin screaming about this post. For WiS to be fully integrated with eve, some things are going to have to change on both sides of the pod bay door.

In the short term: Corp offices, customizable captains quarters, and some improvements to the character models. Like toes. Toes would be nice. Have you seen what passes for toes? Scandelous! Anyway, also: boots and shoes without heels for women. Seriously, a combat boot should not have heels. I am not a Knight Saber.

For example: I have a cracked fullerine shard. I would like to display it in my CQ as a trophy. ATM I cannot. but I'd like to. Or a fish tank. That would also be nice. If this is the 'sims crap' being refereed to earlier, they can bite me.


Long Term:

I propose doing away with the market as currently exists entirely. and move it to a corp storefront system. (pause for screaming to stop or people shrieking to simply run out of breath before continuing)

Effectively this means that, yes, if you want to sell stuff, this means that you have to have an office in station. And, yes, if people hate your corp, you'll have fewer customers.

How this might work: Buy and sell orders are visible for a number of jumps based on the CEO's Advertising skill. This is no longer limited to a single region, but maxes out at 5 jumps. (with maybe a much higher skill to increase it to 10) To buy or sell, though, you'd have to go at the very least to their station. For people that actually do walk around, though, there might be in store sales that are not visible on the buy sell order list that you get in space/on ship.

This will have the following benefits: ending Jita except maybe as a market for high end goods. Herding people out of newb corps. Increasing the chance to get a good deal without starting a market stampede. Corp tax can now apply to item sales. Large volumes of goods will have to be moved around, meaning that a lot of fat juicy targets will become available. However, this also means that the number of choke points that would need camping by suicide gankers would spread out.


I further would like to see fighting in station. Hiding in stations is horribly abused and there needs to be a viable counter to it.. Missions in station and exploration might be a viable lead into this. I approve of both those ideas.

If Incarna must be iterated on, and for the love of all that is good, it shouldn't be what with the amount of time it's taking a fully-dedicated EVE dev team to develop low-feature expansions like Inferno. But if it must, I'd like to see it develop as a communication enhancement tool and a way of showcasing streaming player-created content (articles, blogs, links) and vids via the CQ TV screen. Multiple people in the same room sounds unimplementable with current technology, and expanding NeX is a waste of time.

nex is not a waste of time, the point of the excercise is to allow ccp to grab all yall by the ankles and shake as much money out of youse who are into that sorta thang

also to the genius with the storefront idea, it's called alts and alt corps, no i don't want to goddamn wasd every goddamn time i need to buy something, christ i hate going to the mall irl

Clearly the way to make WiS used and enjoyed by as many people as possible is to make every other aspect of eve akin to repeatedly slamming a drawer shut on your balls.

i see spaceship trade in the distant future much like a 19th century fishmarket, with spaceship vendors running ramshackle stalls in a big bazaar at the local space-wharf

Why is preventing the Jita clumping a good thing?

Moreover, why are you trying to FORCE sellers (or any other type of player) to do anything?

By what logic did you come to this conclusion?


Again, by what logic did you come to this conclusion?


Please elucidate how it would encourage better behavior and how people should supposely "find out" who an alt corp/a character belongs to.


...how?


How would this make it much more interesting? What happens when I'm logged out?

The effort it would take for them to go to every shop in every constellation and find out if their prices were the ones dominating at a given moment in both the more visible market and the actual in station stores. Moon goo is, perhaps not the best example, as it's easier to manipulate at the source via supply, but since i used goons as an example, I figured I'd use their best known market manipulation.

As far as more market PvP goes: let's say I have beef with random corp name here. Under this I could, in theory, if there is an open office slot near their stores, open a competing chain and undercut their prices. WE can't really do that atm, as it's hard to determine just who's buying and selling, and impossible to actually go after given corps market presence across eve.



IN much the same way these things have been found out historically. Spies, internal drama, and people being stupid. Stop and consider: most corps are not going to trust their alliance with their sales income (if they do, depending on the alliance, more fool them), so they're likely going to set up their own alt shops. I think any CEO who reads this can think of at least one occasion where internal drama would have led to such a secret getting out, just to 'get even' on the part of the exiting asshat.



Smaller markets can change conditions very quickly. Additionally, under the current setup, the location of most high sec ganks is well known (choke points leading to/from Jita) and this leads to decreased risk of being successfully popped. By having the market spread out, the suicide ganks would have to do the same. This adds an element of uncertainty and increases risk.



Place a lot of buy and sell order while logged out, do we? Probably the same things that happen now. People buy stuff and fill buy orders. And, as far as making it more visually interesting, you have noticed that the current market is a single, rather monotone, window you look at, as opposed to walking around a cavernous station arcade filled with all sorts of carbon based goodness and your fellow player's avatars, correct?

You're apparently not very good at market PVP.


This is so easy to circumvent it's not even funny.


So uh, instead of having everyone funnel through a well-known set of systems, we'd spread the market out a bit, meaning the people doing suicide ganks have to work harder, and this is supposed to add risk?

...ok...


I don't know about you, but my very deepest wish is definitely to walk around and check prices in a myriad of "shops" to find the "best deal", and then for good measure I'd really like to have to haul everything back to my own ship. And the amount of gear I can haul at a time should be realistic, so no 1 ton inventory.

Beats not being good at eve in general, like some posters.



While I'm sure you're thinking 'well, just have every single person train up a CEO alt and set up 50k alt corps', the problem with that is that offices are limited and rents are based on the number of offices rented. Further, players are still limited in the number of orders that can be placed. Corps doing it as a team would have a much better bottom line then a solo corp, which might not see any profit at all. Of course, as the saying goes, if two people know a secret, it's only safe if one's dead.

As far as just having the CEO do it, who in their right mind trusts another player with their wallet?




By having a much larger volume of traffic filter through a slightly larger well known number of systems. It's not like the gate system lacks for bottle necks. If by 'work harder' you mean 'at all' then yes, the days of infinite easy targets lining up to be killed will most likely be over. 'Risk' isn't just for the marketeers after all. You'd have to 'gasp' break out the map and see what other bottlenecks have had the most jumps and try there, just like in the old days before Jita!




Ooh, look, the sarcasm meter is going off! You know, someone has to do that now to get all those prices you see on eve central. So, again, how is this different, other than nice graphics and we'd be back to how we did it before the eve central website?

As far as no delivery to your hanger goes: sure, haul it back to to the hanger. It is, after all, an environment where gravity is artificial and controlled. I'd recommend some sort of zero G forklift though, it will make it quicker.