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High Sec Moon Mining.

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Lord Seth
Federation of Freedom Fighters
VINDICTIVE
#1 - 2012-05-23 22:36:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Seth
IDEA:
High Sec Moon Mining; High sec towers, rolling NPC vs. Corp standings.

CCP already has a balanced map of high sec moons in place. Why can’t we mine them?
Here is the idea...

First introduce a rolling/fluid standing towards NPC factions on a corporation/and?alliance level, so in other words your corp/alliance would have to keep high standing for that particular space to anchor a tower, and to mine.
(promote game play)

If the standing is not maintained as it would naturally tick down on a time based system. Your tower would be off lined; you would get like a 3-5 day mail or some short warning to increase your corp/alliance standing to continue operation
High sec towers would/could not be armed.
Caps would sill obviously not be allowed or need.

So how do you keep the towers? Well mission runners and faction players keep playing and the standing stays up. Your corps mining operations stays active.

How do you stop this? Declare WAR! Stop them from running missions/defeat faction space via Militias/hire mercs.


This new high sec option would change the game. It would offer a HUGE new world for high sec players. Allow less grinding on towers and more constructive PVP not just bloding caps and taking space. Also letting high sec players compete with null sec income…. and null sec action using mostly tools already in the game (Missions/Merc contracts/Standings/Militias)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-05-23 23:01:21 UTC
high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"

hth
Lord Seth
Federation of Freedom Fighters
VINDICTIVE
#3 - 2012-05-23 23:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Seth
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"

hth



Sure they do, that’s like saying if you don’t join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE?

Why can we not have a different option? Instead of working for an alliance we work for NPC's. Its perfect fit with militias and new contarcts.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#4 - 2012-05-23 23:21:26 UTC
No.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#5 - 2012-05-23 23:22:29 UTC
I'd explain why, but its clear you don't understand the game at all, so I'd be wasting my time.
Lord Seth
Federation of Freedom Fighters
VINDICTIVE
#6 - 2012-05-23 23:29:31 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
I'd explain why, but its clear you don't understand the game at all, so I'd be wasting my time.
Lol

Perfect reason why, O.O is dead to so many vet players.... ^^

I lived in 0.0 longer than you, so please spare me of your negitive remarks, troll.



This was/is an area to offer ideas to a constructive player base and CCP, and its met with remarks like this? ...lol wow Eve players will never change.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#7 - 2012-05-23 23:38:42 UTC
Lord Seth wrote:
wow Eve players will never change.


Well I can agree with you there.

They'll never stop coming up with horrid ideas that show a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game is balanced and designed.

also lol @ "I lived in 0.0 longer than you"
Cari Cullejen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-23 23:57:20 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
Lord Seth wrote:
wow Eve players will never change.


Well I can agree with you there.

They'll never stop coming up with horrid ideas that show a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game is balanced and designed.

also lol @ "I lived in 0.0 longer than you"



Ignore her she just has her panties in a bunch (is probably really a he)...

Maybe if you explain how they could implement this and still balance the game sure, and hey! it might help the economy!

What are you looking for here? Read the post!

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-05-24 00:06:37 UTC
Lord Seth wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"

hth



Sure they do, that’s like saying if you don’t join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE?

Why can we not have a different option? Instead of working for an alliance we work for NPC's. Its perfect fit with militias and new contarcts.



Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk?
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#10 - 2012-05-24 00:10:15 UTC
Seriously the fact that you think high sec should have anything similar to the income that null sec has shows a complete failure to understand ccp's vision for the game.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-24 00:47:45 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:

Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk?

Same as bashing a mission running ship with a PVP fit battlecruiser. Quite litterly, zero risk to yourself its so fail fit that the mission ship will just die. Zero risk to yourself, surrounded by highsec with its CONCORD preventing some random 3rd partty interfering in your party against a ship that cannot even fight back effectively. Opps...sorry to dissappoint how silly you can make yourself out to be by putting on the show of tough guy with an awesome killboard of easy ass targets in the security blanket of highsec.

But perhaps the OP was talking about limited mining of moon minerals, kind of like how highsec PI is just a ******* waste of time but it generates a little bit of income where as the time spent for that character was better just biomassing it if not out right canceling the account. Can't see anything wrong with it in highsec, though perhaps limiting it .5 border zones to act like a "raid" scenario for FW (to exclude dreads) but talking with moon goo in the tens of millions barely breaking half a hundred million a month...no where near enough enough to pay for fuel. Eh, just an idea.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#12 - 2012-05-24 01:01:17 UTC
No, he actually does state that he wants high sec income to compete with null sec

Quote:
. Also letting high sec players compete with null sec income


He also doesn't realize that moon competition in null is one of the biggest promoters of fights.

He is further delusional by the thought that null sec pvp would use "tools" such as missions/mercs/contracts/militias. In fact I have no idea how that thought process came to be.
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-05-24 01:05:55 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Lord Seth wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"

hth



Sure they do, that’s like saying if you don’t join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE?

Why can we not have a different option? Instead of working for an alliance we work for NPC's. Its perfect fit with militias and new contarcts.



Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk?

Wait, isn't that already what big 0.0 aliances are doing?

I don't see the difference, except one is run by an exclusive club and the other is empire space.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-05-24 01:09:23 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Lord Seth wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
high sec players don't deserve to "compete with null sec income"

hth



Sure they do, that’s like saying if you don’t join a 0.0 alliance and force yourself to be enslaved by dictators, and then you will not do well in EvE?

Why can we not have a different option? Instead of working for an alliance we work for NPC's. Its perfect fit with militias and new contarcts.



Tell me again why you should reap massive rewards for quite literally zero risk?

Wait, isn't that already what big 0.0 aliances are doing?

I don't see the difference, except one is run by an exclusive club and the other is empire space.


So in all of those fights over moons out in 0.0, there is never a single iota of risk to anyone involved, right? No ships are ever lost, no POS are ever destroyed, no-one is ever podded?

Roll
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#15 - 2012-05-24 01:39:22 UTC
Confirming I have a 100% kill efficiency on kb.

Elite pvp, you know.
SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#16 - 2012-05-24 02:50:31 UTC
Fail idea, that has been suggested and shot down before.

No. High Sec is NOT the be all do all. You actually can mine moon goo in high sec, just no where near as efficiently. There is not a lot of moon goo in high sec, but it is there.

It is the same principle that governs minerals in High sec, if you make low/null sec minerals show up in high sec, it will get mined more and then the bottom of the economy will fall out, all the billionaires will have so much money they can buy everything without any consequence, and the entire market will look like the one on the SISI server, where everything is priced at like 100 ISK.

Your idea would screw over so many players and absolutely destroy the economy in less than a week.

You obviously have no idea how EVE's economy works or how fast it moves. A change like that would alter the price of everything in New Eden by a minimum of half current market value within 24 hours.

So keep your communist ideals to yourself please, this game is built on Capitalism.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-05-24 03:37:36 UTC
While I prefer moon goo to be removed completely, cheapen them to the detriment of farmers will do nicely too. Null used to be about freedom, then moon goo got implemented, and it turned into farmville. Kill it with fire. +1
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-05-24 03:38:32 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
While I prefer moon goo to be removed completely, cheapen them to the detriment of farmers will do nicely too. Null used to be about freedom, then moon goo got implemented, and it turned into farmville. Kill it with fire. +1

lol wut
Jackal Datapaw
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-24 04:36:49 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
While I prefer moon goo to be removed completely, cheapen them to the detriment of farmers will do nicely too. Null used to be about freedom, then moon goo got implemented, and it turned into farmville. Kill it with fire. +1



Wut.
Aerich e'Kieron
Peace.Keepers
#20 - 2012-05-24 05:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerich e'Kieron
+1 for Liliana Rahl
+1 for Nicolo da'Vicenza
I liked your responses <3

Yeah, absolutely terrible idea. So full of "no" I don't know where to begin.
Clearly no understanding of the game in these fields.
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