Market Discussions

What I would like to discuss are money transfer dynamics and mechanisms available to us in EVE with the hope of identifying specific problems and solutions up to and including specific changes that could be requested of CCP to help develop new disruptive business models that could stimulate emergent gameplay.

To get that far, all generic forms of revenue streams will need to be identified and understood so we are working with the same language. These revenue streams move between building blocks that can be visualized on a single page of what is being called a Business Model Canvas. (Osterwalder)

Though I would like to talk about mechanics/procedures eventually, I think, if your not already familiar with this, you find this much more exciting.

next 2 minutes describing the canvas


A Google docs copy of the canvas itself


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I think these ideas are important because they vastly simplify business model prototyping to a visual level that anybody with any desire to do more than pew pew can understand and use. I've come up with three in the last couple weeks. Its a breath of fresh air to me. I hope this is enough to pique your interests at least.

I addition to what I've introduced here a few more things need laid out. I think I'm going to have to bring up customer segments, especially whats called diversified and multi-sided segments. one is independent the other is interdependent. It is withn these that a freemium business model can really shine. One customer pays for the other as a means to radically broaden the customer base.

Trying to address such a large customer base creates new problems needing new procedure but those can't be developed unless another structure is understood in advance. I think its best explained by unbundling a current company into three major components. i tried to do that here to rave reviews. :) General discussion thread. NOT

Blame this on Caleb, seems there were to many offers for him. Years ago while I was trying to find THE business model, he helped me see there could be more than one.

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My general discussion thread was too long. I've had to get more concise to shorten it Cores.

Before I explain the wrong thing. What offends you?

Thanks for some awesome reading.

I had not seen this guys work..

Also could you poke me ingame, I dont feel like talking about these ideas in this forum.

I see some huge potential adapting some of these ideas into an EVE oriented format. Would like you help making something that can be hosted on the scc-lounge website.

I was working on something similar I coined business in a box, for better IPOs and picking up where Hexxx left things hanging a bit..

Your post rings with some of the same ideas presented in Douglas Rushkoffs "Get back in the Box"..

With some more EVE players focusing on building actual services and "healing the markets" we might just be in for some huge economical changes..

I feel like the two Bobs are sitting in my hangar talking about leveraging my "hangar-bound resources".

You trollin me VV:)? Hexx's Bank could have provided the tools I think we need but resurrecting EVE bank is the furthest thing from my mind until now. He did some wonderful work didn't he? It could have reshaped the game like a force of nature. WOW my mind just boggles. In fact I'm coming up with a new business model now!!!

A guy recently wrote the backend for a bounty system but didn't work out collaterals and cashflows. I think a working bounty system could be wildly disruptive. Organized Mercenaries are one thing but vigilantes universe wide? Pure awesome chaos. Combine that with Hexxs insurance system and banking. You got money moving at three different but relevant velocities. A high velocity one could provide cash for the merc the other slower moving money provides realtively stabilizing collateral. Like a derivative, Charges could be dynamically set based on relative balances and cash demands. You just call them interest or brokerage fees or commissions to suit the product. Yes why not, corporations could be modeled like derivatives.

The canvas is just a way to diagram those flows between 3 value propositions and a multi sided customer base. It doesn't mathematically model.

Why business models fail

I can't link the exact vid. It doesn't matter but the one I'm looking at is why business models fail? 6 minutes, first two minutes show canvas in action, simple stick figuresThere are some other nice videos too.,. Osterwalder stole a page out of Dr. Seuss's books. He keeps his illustrations loose and that leaves plenty to the imagination.

I want to start simple too. t1 t2 mfg models but what I really want to design are corporate models where one activity funds another activity, There's a dozen generic models of this and in this game we only use a couple. Same with revenue streams. are there methods untapped because we don't have the tools? are there revenue streams untapped because we don't use the tools we have. Are there ways to design corps that would be better for the game if we could explain them simply to Alliance leaders, CEOs, or maybe more importantly. Noobs? COuld we create a crazy new generation of Entrepreneurs thinking outside of the box by giving them a box to try to fit it into?