EVE General Discussion

I beg to differ with the OP.


I don't think it's PVP overall. PVP in this game keeps as many people in it as it does to keep out. I have only known total carebear types - the ones who purposely want everything to be easy and to have a progressive shot at all content - quit the game because of PVP.


What I think keeps people out is the mechanics of the game that creates funnels that force people into PVP in such manner that they are at a disadvantage from the start.

I refer to the gate mechanics and gate camps plus the blob mechanics resulting from this.

Fact is, there is a "Great wall of Carebear" that is keeping people away from most of the universe, and so players can choose to become bored high sec grinders or 0.0 renter/slaves - and grind in 0.0 all the same in almost the same level of safety.

People will enjoy the game if they can get a chance at more content without having to join a 0.0 corp and deal with nerd rage and drama. When I say chance, I refer to something more than 70 percent where if you jump 10 gates, even with map intel, 3 of them will have a bubble right on top of it.

Now I can hear it "get an alt scout loser! Go back to WoW!11 blah blah".

Well the "real" player, the ones who don't stay, will see this as a game where "Ok, so in order to survive, I have to now get a second account and pay for that - or grind my head off for PLEX meaning I don't get time to use the scout anyway. This is a scam". So they move on.

And I must add that they encounter those who brag about their numerous alts for this and that. I see posts from such people all of the time and I have to say that the more discriminating player see such players - proud to pay a lot or grind a lot for all those "needed" account - as total suckers who brag in order to cover up the fact they are really suckers.

Whether or not this is true does not matter if that's how it looks.


In the meantime, I can WH jump to deep nulll and not see another ship for WEEKS and only because of the gate mechanic and the "kill everything that moves" mentality.

Gate mechanics promote this. SOV mechanics promote it. I witness this every time I sneak out to 0.0 (and not using gates, I have yet to lose a ship but I have been close to losing one, you see a CHANCE to lose, not a definite conclusion using the mechanics of worm holes).

But we also miss the other side of the equation. What kind of game is it to sit on a gate all day? This is probably just as bad as mining all day. We can malign the semi-AFK miner but I really doubt that the people sitting on a gate so long that the map stats make it look like there is no camp there are not semi-AFK either. And like and ISK snatcher who will blitz VGs 9 hours a day the gate camper who can tolerate all day camping is probably just as messed up in the head. These people are not really playing EvE. This could become a swords and sorcery game tomorrow through some twisted storyline twist and these same people will be doing the same thing except camping "portals" and blitzing instances.

Eliminate gates or the need for them and let ships dial in a system to system warp - just like our more well known sci-fi series - and this truly becomes a universe. The blob is replaced by the combat patrol, and the bubble is replaced by the combat probe. No more great wall of carebear and those who like to sit on gates or grind in high sec all day - the former who like to tell us to adapt or die (those who grind in high sec have adapted, knuckleheads) especially - will have to adapt or die.

In summation, the mechanics have allowed a certain mindset to make the EvE universe a very small place while allowing those who "adapt" to that to become very bored grinders eventually. Eliminate the need for gates, and everybody can go anywhere (mechanics of interstellar warp aside) and take CHANCES instead of dying in a fire or having to go to those running the fire and sit around all day waiting to make someone else die in a fire.

New Coke(tm) for everyone!
In fact, let's make New Coke(tm) taste *just* like its closest competitor too, whilst we're at it!










There. I think that sums up my reaction to the OP pretty thoroughly.

I didn't read it all either. If your a CEO of an IT company then why give CCP ideas? write a better game and market it and profiteer off something you love, which brings me to pvp. In my opinion PVP in eve is the highest evolution of PVP in any game out there ,unless Qween is fcing.

I only read this because of the patch.

Oh poo its a big patch

Easy actually :)

Use the game trial as noob protection.
As long as you are in trial period and in high-sec you can't be shot.... unless you shoot first.
Go out of high sec, you are fair game for every one.
Your trial period expired, you are fair game for every one.

Use faction based security status so, if you have low status in a faction => you can't enter that faction space using the gates only from WHs.
Example: if you have Caldari -2.0 ... -10 you can't use the gates to enter in Caldari space or dock on bases if you enter via WHs.

This will give high sec some security but you will still be able to shoot every one in high sec if you found a WH going there.

The problem is CCP not the players :)
They created Concord.

That reminds me of the Megathron vs iteron on YouTube. =)

are you suggesting a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demilitarized_zone ?

DMZ

Probably doesn't matter but those two weeks will let the player learn a thing or two about the game before they become griefer's targets :)

As i said, is CCPs fault for implementing Concord and give players that sense of security in high sec which actually doesn't exists the second you have something valuable on your ship :P

I see the optimal solution to PVP being too scary is to adjust PVE in a way that it is as close to being PVP as possible.

I think the devs kind of like the idea and will do such things in the future as they have time and resources to spend on something such as this.

We shall see for the future.

But for now...HTFU...

That is a huge over statement. I have been ganked in Hisec exactly once with two accounts - lost a retriever. I have shipped around 100M at a time in an Itty, sometimes more, and have mined, missioned, explored, ice mined, and played with Sim Planet. To stay safe is pretty simple - don't rise to bait and don't ship a huge value of stuff all at once.

Most newbies die from reacting to the can flipper or stick their nose into low sec or a WH. All of which has mommy telling them not to when they do it. Or maybe they ignore the warning when taking shiny stuff from a can marked "Free Stuff" (the poetic justice there is just too much).

I have never encountered a roving gang of vets out to blow up newbs at all costs. Kill Hulks? Sure. A hulk is not a newb ship. Pirate a cargo worth a billion on the way through a known pirate system to Jita? Yep. But then what is a newb doing with a billion in stuff?

A bit of education and restraint in hisec and it is quite a safe area.

We need a EVE themed monocle version of "deal with it" in this thread ASAP!!!