EVE General Discussion

Just get out of my game. You clearly have no business here.

(I wish there was someway to mindmeld and exchange experiences via the internet. My first year of EVE is literally the counterargument to every carebear in EVE. Anti-pirate corp full of nubs in frigates wrecking high sec griefers.)

TIL killing a battleship with a frigate is boring, and killing a frigate with a Tengu is entertaining.

What if there were 15 of them in rifters? The dude you're arguing with spends most of his time killing idiots like you who think frigates are useless, with frigates. I discovered this from reading his signature, which is right in front of you. Your problem with this game is not that EVE is bad, it is that you are not intelligent enough to understand.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=TIL

I live in low sec. I pvped. I play for spaceship. All that said, i still think there should be a safe space. You shouldn't have to go there if you don't want to, but it should sill exsist. And when your ready you shold come visit me and I'll sed you back express!

Im a 6 year care bear and I think pirates add spice to the game. However I do think a players starting system should be off limits to PvP until a char reaches a certain amount of skill points. After that they are marked for PvP and must leave the starting area. This would give new players a chance to gain experience without getting ganked every time they turn arround. Many restrictions would have to made to prevent exploitation from our players.

I think we can all agree that if Eve were to become a popular game without compromising it's core concepts that it would only be a good thing.

The problem is, how can you ever make someone totally safe without them negatively affecting someone else?

You may think that newbie player who is innocently mining away in his frigate isn't doing anybody harm. But what if a large nullsec alliance (maybe goonswarm?) all made trial accounts and went around mining in frigates every day, then sending the minerals to their alliance? The enemies of Goonswarm should have a way of stopping them from gaining that advantage.

Now you may say "well, what if we just blocked the off from the rest of the universe so they can't interact and can't leave while in a ship?" How would that even work? That's basically sharding the game.

I'm not convinced there's a way to make people completely safe to go about doing their own business unless there was another server/area that they are completely isolated from the normal gaming populace. Other than that, everybody's actions are potentially making a threat to someone else for a variety of reasons, and this other person deserves the opportunity to eliminate the threat.

OP... your post was well presented and polite... out of respect, I too will try to be polite and make a well presented counter...


This is true. But cooperate towards what end? Getting better gear? Making more money? Getting to XXX limit?
Cooperative gameplay without an end goal that sets you apart from others doesn't exactly make for "interesting" gameplay. In fact... without a social aspect to keep people working together such non-competitive gameplay often becomes repetitive and boring leading to people leave anyways.


Errr... yeah... because the whole game is based on competition. Every time you sell something on the market you are competing with everyone else. Hell... of all things, mining rocks can be considered a form of competition as you have to get to the asteroid belt first and mine faster than everyone else.


Here's the problem. Your idea here isn't new and the problems with it are still the same. Because this is a "competition-based sandbox" type game your actions, no matter how small, affect anyone and everyone in the game.

For example: You are a miner. All you do is collect rocks, reprocess them, and sell the minerals. You don't know anyone outside of your corp and you don't care to.
However, there is a war brewing out in 0.0 space. One of the main alliances is running low on minerals to make/replace ships. They send some of their neutral logistics to go to high-sec and buy up the needed materials. Some of those materials are the minerals YOU mined.
Congrats... you have successfully aided in the war effort of an alliance that you didn't know about for a cause you could care less about.

The only recourse for the other alliance (the one at war with the one who bought your minerals) is to send a bunch of players into high-sec to disrupt mining activity (does this sound familiar?).


I'm going to focus on this one because it's painfully obvious that you missed one of the major nuances of the market.

First, bigger is not always better. Many other MMOs have massive markets, but they are not usually in a good state of health. One of the primary reasons for this is that none of the items generated in the game are removed.
This causes an overall devaluation of said items' worth. Plus, very few games employ "money-sinks" (where money is taken out of the in-game economy) to counter "money-faucets" (where money is "magically" created (ex. NPC bounties)) which creates inflation and makes things expensive (even the now "devalued" items)... which in turn raises the bar for newer players to get the equipment they need.

The way the EVE economy takes care of this is by having stuff destroyed. Ships getting blown up (usually by getting blown up by another player) is one of the single biggest money and item-sinks in the game... and the more stuff being destroyed, the more money is taken out of the system and the lower the inflation rate.


Unfortunately this is not really an option. As illustrated in the example I provided above, your actions as a "bear" affect my actions as a PvPer. Thus, it is only fair that I can affect you in kind.

So yeah... "turning off" PvP in any part of EVE just isn't an option. Not without completely reworking and segregating different star systems and their markets (because you can't have industrialists who are 100% safe affecting anything outside of their "safe-zone," otherwise you create an imbalance in the overall system).
However, "segregating" a part of EVE for "non-competitive players" also isn't an option because it would take away from one of EVE's main selling points; "One Server, One Universe, One War."
Plus it reeks of Ultima Online's Trammel server (and we know what ultimately happened to that).

It takes less than a minute for 20 gank-fit Rifters to destroy a well-fit battleship.

It tried to approach that market with hi-res barbies that over-heated graphics cards while walking around in dingy Minmatar studio apartments.

Had they brought a little more to the table, it might have turned out differently.

OP, I get where you are coming from, really I do. But there are lots of games with the cooperative play you describe, yet very few like Eve. Can't we have this one game this way. As you acknowledge, there does exist a market, however small, for such a game. Surely there's room for us in the gaming world.