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It's as if a million botters suddenly screamed out in terror.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-05-23 18:53:53 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:


If you are happy, you really don't have to address me personally.

I will NEVER be swayed back to play by this...............crap.


Oh, It was because your quote made it seem that the people who like it haven't said why they do, so just wanted some reasons was all. I don't bother with poses since never had a use, so not sure how it is when you end up with 30 arrays or anything like that. I can see some clutter starting there, but cannot give it much comment.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#42 - 2012-05-23 18:54:26 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface.


No, at least one uses the GUI and OCR (optical character recognition) to 'emulate' a human player as much as possible. Unfortunately, combating this over the years has made it harder on players to actually see the data they want to see clearly. Calls to make things neater are always ignored if they could potentially help a botting application.

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#43 - 2012-05-23 18:57:11 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
adam smash wrote:
Should make it easier TBH


Don't think so.



You think bad, you need some butt spank right now to put your ideas at the right place Lol


You think worse

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#44 - 2012-05-23 19:04:16 UTC
Hum... if this is correct, lots of shuttles will be reprocessed soon.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-05-23 19:08:18 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Hum... if this is correct, lots of shuttles will be reprocessed soon.



Huh ?


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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#46 - 2012-05-23 19:16:21 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Hum... if this is correct, lots of shuttles will be reprocessed soon.



Huh ?




Ok, ok... check it out (100% tinfoilhatery but it might work)... if bots can't mine, veldspar/tritanium supply tanks, then trit price goes up. And if people don't adjust sale orders on shuttles... Buy Shuttles, reprocess, sell trit: Profit.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Zleon Leigh
#47 - 2012-05-23 19:21:42 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
adam smash wrote:
Should make it easier TBH


Don't think so.


Bots thrive on predictability, and thew new UI gives just that. It puts every container into a nice list in a window that is always the same size and same spot. It provides convenient access (for bots, which don't care about massive amounts of clicking and hotkeys) to the inventory.

The old UI involved opening multiple windows up, making the developer's job harder. They had to keep track of what was open and when. Now it's all in one window.

CCP managed to deploy a "fix" that makes the game harder for humans to play but far easier for bots. LOL.


Have the new UI jog around just enough to move the "fetch from cargo" hotspot to "Trash it" Twisted

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Zleon Leigh
#48 - 2012-05-23 19:25:37 UTC
Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

PvP's latest  incentive program ** Unified Inventory **  'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#49 - 2012-05-23 19:29:44 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface.


Hmm...you sure seem to know a lot about that.

Indeed, not being an idiot really helps when trying to understand these magical "computer" machines.

Anyway didn't you claim a few days ago that your account was running out? Why don't you help things along and biomass?

MadMuppet wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Silly question, but don't bots interact with the server purely using python injection? I wasn't aware that they used the GUI at all, and was under the impression that only macros tried to navigate the user interface.


No, at least one uses the GUI and OCR (optical character recognition) to 'emulate' a human player as much as possible. Unfortunately, combating this over the years has made it harder on players to actually see the data they want to see clearly. Calls to make things neater are always ignored if they could potentially help a botting application.

Ahh, I wasn't aware of that. I just assumed they didn't load the interface to save on resources when running multiple clients concurrently.

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Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#50 - 2012-05-23 19:34:43 UTC
Zleon Leigh wrote:
Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL

Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it.
Zleon Leigh
#51 - 2012-05-23 19:42:12 UTC
Malice Redeemer wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL

Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it.


Just going with seeing many threads locked for it. Believe what you want....

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#52 - 2012-05-23 19:45:20 UTC
Malice Redeemer wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL

Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it.


When we open a how to bot subforum or maybe "All about bots" chat then you'll be welcome to do so. As it stands it's discussing activities which violate the EULA and are therefore not welcome here.

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Dethbringer1
NoWar4Me
#53 - 2012-05-23 19:48:11 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
BTW if you do not think this hasn't had a huge impact on botting ops...go check out the server status. Since the release of Inferno, server numbers have literally been cut in half. A new patch generally sees a uptick the first 24hrs of people playing. That has not been the case with Inferno.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



Are you on crack? All the systems i mission out of have usually 25 players. now there are over 100... I want some of what youre smoking... And seriously... making a bot takes no longer that a couple minutes... I have dealt with macros for about 5 years.. Hell it's almost as fun designing macros as it is playing the game. I would never use a bot cause I don't mine but if I did. I'm quite sure I could make a bot in less than 5 mins.
Dethbringer1
NoWar4Me
#54 - 2012-05-23 19:54:22 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Malice Redeemer wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
Note to posters - don't discuss mechanics of botting, please! IBTL

Are you for real, they are going to lock a thread for talking about how bots work? there is nothing illegal or taboo about bots or macro software, only what people do with it. Hiding your head in the sand won't make it go away, it will just make you less able to recognize it for what is, if you did want to try and stop it.


When we open a how to bot subforum or maybe "All about bots" chat then you'll be welcome to do so. As it stands it's discussing activities which violate the EULA and are therefore not welcome here.


lol all you got to do is a search on bots. You can't censor google yahoo bing whatever. Seriously. Bots is too revealing lol. You can find out about bots by types tons of different things in search engines. No way you can hide info. CCP just needs to ban accounts that go afk. Honestly you can afk missions in a tanked dominix so whats the big difference with afk mining. Maybe ccp should take a hint from runescape. Attack players every 5 mins to make sure they are not botting.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-05-23 19:59:37 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
BTW if you do not think this hasn't had a huge impact on botting ops...go check out the server status. Since the release of Inferno, server numbers have literally been cut in half. A new patch generally sees a uptick the first 24hrs of people playing. That has not been the case with Inferno.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



Or probably because of the window opening windows you can't use because of range and more useless windows making you hate your mouse?

Played 15min today, was a little better than yesterday but still click fest and I can't stand this, so indirectly you say I'm a bot?

brb
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-05-23 20:00:45 UTC
Dethbringer1 wrote:
You can't censor google yahoo bing whatever.

Yep, but there's nothing that says CCP has to host that content.

Tactical destroyers... I'll take a dozen Gallente, please.
Ayn Randy
Home For Pugs
#57 - 2012-05-23 20:01:15 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
adam smash wrote:
Should make it easier TBH


Don't think so.


Bots thrive on predictability, and thew new UI gives just that. It puts every container into a nice list in a window that is always the same size and same spot. It provides convenient access (for bots, which don't care about massive amounts of clicking and hotkeys) to the inventory.


So wait, the new system makes everything nice, listed, same size, same spot, convenient access... whats everyone giving out about?
ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#58 - 2012-05-23 20:01:42 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
When we open a how to bot subforum or maybe "All about bots" chat then you'll be welcome to do so. As it stands it's discussing activities which violate the EULA and are therefore not welcome here.

Thread locked.

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