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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-05-23 18:26:35 UTC
Sycho Pathic wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
3DFX and Glide.....The Good ol days...


I stumbled across several Voodoo cards while packing for the move to the new house. (Along with some Tseng Labs ET4000 cards and a Number Nine card I used under Windows 3.0 that, adjusted for today's dollar, cost more than most used cars)

Was going to keep them for nostalgia's sake but my wife got to the box before I could get it on the truck. >.<


I used to have a Voodoo 3, that was an awesome card to play Tribes with Big smile

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-23 18:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Andy DelGardo wrote:
The PS3 uses a very different openGL 1.0 version, which is quite different from the current openGL 4.2 version.


OpenGL ES 1.0 and has some features from OpenGL ES 2.0.

Markus Reese wrote:
The same is windows. Problem is 95% of windows users set up their default login as administrator. And of those, only 1% maybe know what they are doing with a computer. Anybody I set up a computer, I have an admin account, but they log in as non admin. Never any problems. Windows issues is more that than anything else. Linux is a PITA for most people, and having to go to the source community for most things, even more of a pain. Is why I use windows, my stuff works, and I never have problems because I know how to set it up. Sure efficiency issues, but I would rather that than compatability issues.


Windows equivalent would be that you only have read rights to file if it's not under Documents and Settings or Users folders. Currently that's not how it works. As a normal user you click a link in suspicious mail and you get virus that can ruin your day. In Unix if virus is poorly written there's not much it can do to ruin your day.
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#23 - 2012-05-23 18:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Malice Redeemer
CARB0N FIBER wrote:
Like most people that count I started with DOS(never really figured it out). Moved on to windows. About 3 years ago I switched to Mac. I will never go back! Everyone is intitled to their opinion. Mine is, there is Mac than there is everything else. I love Eve, CCP not so much. I do thank CCP for making Eve playable on Mac. If that ever changes I will give Eve up, despite my addiction. Jjust like I gave up the devils grass 10 years ago and cigarettes 2 months ago. I can't beat addiction, I can!


this post is full of great rambling fail, I love it so much, i think I can now die happy
oh, op, what post 2 and 3 said
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#24 - 2012-05-23 18:29:52 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Sycho Pathic wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
3DFX and Glide.....The Good ol days...


I stumbled across several Voodoo cards while packing for the move to the new house. (Along with some Tseng Labs ET4000 cards and a Number Nine card I used under Windows 3.0 that, adjusted for today's dollar, cost more than most used cars)

Was going to keep them for nostalgia's sake but my wife got to the box before I could get it on the truck. >.<


I used to have a Voodoo 3, that was an awesome card to play Tribes with Big smile


Gotta go fast!
ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-05-23 18:40:25 UTC
The reason Windows is so popular is microsoft issue SDK for publishers of software to work from.

Apples attitude is basically stuff the publishers as according to an interesting article I read in PC PRO magazine Nov 2011.

Ugh this is of course not the right way to isolate die hard apple professionals who might enjoy some gaming to relax.

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.
Beef Knuckleback
Pawnstars INC
#26 - 2012-05-23 18:41:22 UTC
I've been using Mac and Windows daily for the past fifteen years, and in my professional experience Windows just flat-out better for 3d. The Mac can do the job - and do it reasonably well - but in terms of games performance the Mac is left in the dust.

A huge part of that in my opinion is due to economic factors. One line of Apple hardware has upgradeable video cards, and that line is the most expensive hardware that Apple ships. You can buy multiple kick-ass windows-based whitebox gaming rigs for the price of a single Power Mac, and video card upgrades in the windows space are more numerous, varied, and a hell of a lot cheaper than they are in the Apple space. Combine that with solid developer support for DirectX and the number of major supported 3d applications available for Windows and the fact is you can run more Windows-based 3d workstations that can do more than Macs for less of an up-front investment, with vastly cheaper upgrade costs.

Economically, windows is a clear winner.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-23 18:43:45 UTC
3DFX was (and kinda still is) best. We will never see such a creativity. Why they lost it when they sold themselves to Nvidia?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-23 18:49:46 UTC
More people use Windows. Therefore there are more potential customers. That's why game developers opted for Windows.

Did you know Halo was originally supposed to be on the Mac? Bungie decided to switch to the Xbox because they realized that back then the only people who actually bought macs were designers and architects.

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Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#29 - 2012-05-23 18:50:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
3DFX was (and kinda still is) best. We will never see such a creativity. Why they lost it when they sold themselves to Nvidia?


omg! a 3dfx fanboy! in the wild! I thought all the remaining viable populations where kept in zoos.

I just died and went to heaven, this thread delivers
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-05-23 18:55:25 UTC
Malice Redeemer wrote:
omg! a 3dfx fanboy! in the wild! I thought all the remaining viable populations where kept in zoos.

I just died and went to heaven, this thread delivers


What good stuff Nvidia has innovated?
Vyl Vit
#31 - 2012-05-23 18:55:39 UTC
Since the original Digital Paradise has long since faded, never making it into the 21st Century, and was replaced by corporate portals, Google and Facebook, it's quaint to see a plea for open source. The great pioneers of coding never achieved the sophistication of their competitors. Even if it's free you get what you pay for.

They use Windows friendly code 'cause that's what we pay them to do. Fortunately, our devs aren't crusaders for open source. This ensures we get quality, not philosophy.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#32 - 2012-05-23 18:56:11 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
More people use Windows. Therefore there are more potential customers. That's why game developers opted for Windows.

Did you know Halo was originally supposed to be on the Mac? Bungie decided to switch to the Xbox because they realized that back then the only people who actually bought macs were designers and architects.


yes yes, only huge ass games, or games from kick ass games companys support mac's, is it really worth discussing further? I think we have covered it in the first 4 posts. Whats important here is someone called themselves out as a 3dfx fanboy, and that's a lot of fun for everyone, I think. Also, tribes was mentioned, so.. shazbot?
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#33 - 2012-05-23 18:59:01 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Malice Redeemer wrote:
omg! a 3dfx fanboy! in the wild! I thought all the remaining viable populations where kept in zoos.

I just died and went to heaven, this thread delivers


What good stuff Nvidia has innovated?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia

have fun
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-05-23 19:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Malice Redeemer wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia

have fun


You want to play "PhysX" card, eh?

- Originally developed by Ageia
- It's proprietary software so limited to Nvidia cards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software

Fail. Try again.
Beef Knuckleback
Pawnstars INC
#35 - 2012-05-23 19:08:10 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Did you know Halo was originally supposed to be on the Mac? Bungie decided to switch to the Xbox because they realized that back then the only people who actually bought macs were designers and architects.


You're half right.

Bungie was a Mac developer back in the day, and arguably the best Mac-centric games company out there (Blizzard and iD titles being ports).

Halo was developed as a Mac title and was going to be the reason for gamers to buy a Mac until Microsoft realized they needed a kick-ass launch title for the X-Box. MS bought Bungie,* Halo was First To X-Box, and all of the sequels (that I'm aware of) have been specific to Microsoft platforms.

Bungie's "decision" to target the X-Box was accepting the Microsoft buyout. And yes, this was during the period in which the primary users of Macs were designers - that's since changed to Hipsters with designers as an increasingly niche demographic for reasons unrelated to gaming.


* Wikipedia says they split from MS in 2007 and now have a ten year deal with Activizzard, so there's that.
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#36 - 2012-05-23 19:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Malice Redeemer
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Malice Redeemer wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia

have fun


You want to play "PhysX" card, eh?

- Originally developed by Ageia
- It's proprietary software so limited to Nvidia cards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software

Fail. Try again.


what, no, what? how about 256? H T&L anyone? Also, lol

there is a reason 3dfx died, and was scooped up for nothing but the Word "SLI" years later
voodoo 5, lolz
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#37 - 2012-05-23 19:29:48 UTC
Sycho Pathic wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
3DFX and Glide.....The Good ol days...


I stumbled across several Voodoo cards while packing for the move to the new house. (Along with some Tseng Labs ET4000 cards and a Number Nine card I used under Windows 3.0 that, adjusted for today's dollar, cost more than most used cars)

Was going to keep them for nostalgia's sake but my wife got to the box before I could get it on the truck. >.<


Glad I am still holding on my Tseng Labs ET3000 8 bits. Cool

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-05-23 19:37:43 UTC
Malice Redeemer wrote:
what, no, what? how about 256? H T&L anyone? Also, lol

there is a reason 3dfx died, and was scooped up for nothing but the Word "SLI" years later
voodoo 5, lolz


Nvidia wasn't hardware 3D acceleration pioneer.

Oh, now I get it.
- Drivers destroying cards because fan fails to start
- Godly Geforce FX
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#39 - 2012-05-23 19:41:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Malice Redeemer
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Malice Redeemer wrote:
what, no, what? how about 256? H T&L anyone? Also, lol

there is a reason 3dfx died, and was scooped up for nothing but the Word "SLI" years later
voodoo 5, lolz


Nvidia wasn't hardware 3D acceleration pioneer.

Oh, now I get it.
- Drivers destroying cards because fan fails to start
- Godly Geforce FX


This is more fun then I could have ever imagined, good show.

Was that even in english?
Nvidia wasn't hardware 3D acceleration pioneer huh?
That's not a sentence dude, you are missing one or two of those, you know, those things.. oh ya, words


If you your your computer box needs more words, homestar runner could help you out, I believe
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-05-23 19:50:04 UTC
Programing for PC's with Windows is already a difficult task as it is, with the amount of different hardware out there with so many different driver versions for all of it.

The problem is made worse when even the OS is extremely customizable like that of Linux, where most people have switched and rewritten a lot of things to their liking.

Then ontop of that, add a userbase so small that its really not worth it to also develop and mantain compatible code for it. Eve had a Linux client for a while and they dropped it because there wasn't enough people using that client to make it worth while economically.