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Tri Yson
Eve Engineering Finance
#1 - 2012-05-23 16:30:53 UTC
I have a buy order for a ship in *hub*. I'm used to playing the .1 ISK game, but the current competitor is ridiculous. Literally every time I click back <10mins, I'm outbid. I've only been able to confirm today when I have had the whole day to myself.

Am I jumping the gun in saying bot? Because if not whoever the person is seems to be online 24h a day, and updating constantly.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2 - 2012-05-23 16:37:27 UTC
are you on 24h a day? no? then how do you know he's on 24h a day? maybe its just someone just as ocd as you, with roughly the same hours of play.

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Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#3 - 2012-05-23 16:40:40 UTC
Jump on at 3AM and update your prices. If they scoop you in 10 min, might be a bot.

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Tri Yson
Eve Engineering Finance
#4 - 2012-05-23 16:55:27 UTC
corestwo wrote:
are you on 24h a day? no? then how do you know he's on 24h a day? maybe its just someone just as ocd as you, with roughly the same hours of play.


As I said seems to be. But good job on quoting out of context.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#5 - 2012-05-23 16:59:19 UTC
takes weeks of study to sort out a single entity and confirm if its a bot or not.

if you are very sure its a bot, begin to test its limits, how high will it go and how low will it drop, its also very important to add this potential bot to your watch list and study the corp, forum history for more clues.

you have to go the whole 9 yards before you can stamp it a bot and take excessive action.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#6 - 2012-05-23 16:59:43 UTC
I did not quote out of context, I merely pointed out that you did a very good job of making unfounded assumptions. Lol

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#7 - 2012-05-23 17:04:20 UTC
He is saying the same thing ^^ "WTF, every time I check back, some guy has outbid me, it must be a bot" Roll

I have been sitting in a station since downtime doing nothing but updating orders....so, its every 5 mins, if someone is above me, I move.

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Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#8 - 2012-05-23 17:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Jita
to test bots sometimes i put up a margin trading buy order like 5% below lowest sell using an empty corp wallet division.

actually i do that to just **** people off too
Tri Yson
Eve Engineering Finance
#9 - 2012-05-23 17:24:31 UTC
corestwo wrote:
I did not quote out of context, I merely pointed out that you did a very good job of making unfounded assumptions. Lol

Assumptions? Never! I was merely extrapolating based on observation.
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-23 19:16:09 UTC
i just got undercut it must be a bot, yes that's right it's a bot

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Tri Yson
Eve Engineering Finance
#11 - 2012-05-23 19:26:28 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
i just got undercut it must be a bot, yes that's right it's a bot

Button, button, button... can you believe there's no f**k off button on here? Shameful.
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-23 19:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
If they're on for 10+ hours a day and consistently update within 5-8 minutes by the same amount every time, I usually report them.

EDIT: This is in the smaller hubs. I wouldn't do this in Jita since .01 isk wars are much more prevalent and there are more hardcore traders there.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#13 - 2012-05-23 20:14:46 UTC
I once had a competitor that always outbid me with the new price ending in .37 ISK. So when I set up a buy-order for 100, he outbid me with a new offer of 100.37 ISK.

I guess that one was a bot.

Or someone REALLY obsessed with the number 37......

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Immortis Vexx
Onyx Moon Industries
#14 - 2012-05-23 21:02:01 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I once had a competitor that always outbid me with the new price ending in .37 ISK. So when I set up a buy-order for 100, he outbid me with a new offer of 100.37 ISK.

I guess that one was a bot.

Or someone REALLY obsessed with the number 37......


Some people used a specific number in the cent column to identify their order out of the bunch.

Vexx
Armed Maniac
Noticeably Insane Miners' League
#15 - 2012-05-23 21:43:11 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I once had a competitor that always outbid me with the new price ending in .37 ISK. So when I set up a buy-order for 100, he outbid me with a new offer of 100.37 ISK.

I guess that one was a bot.

Or someone REALLY obsessed with the number 37......


Depending on how long ago that was, it may have been me. I did that because it made it easier to tell which order was mine.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#16 - 2012-05-23 22:22:30 UTC
Immortis Vexx wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I once had a competitor that always outbid me with the new price ending in .37 ISK. So when I set up a buy-order for 100, he outbid me with a new offer of 100.37 ISK.

I guess that one was a bot.

Or someone REALLY obsessed with the number 37......


Some people used a specific number in the cent column to identify their order out of the bunch.

Vexx


back when I was playing STO, I had merchant friends there, I would use a number code to let them know, hey its me, and vice versa.
only thing is, over there we where nice to each other, we would take turns having best price, this would let us all take breaks and control the market in a responsible manor.
Veta Toralen
Adeptio Gloriae
#17 - 2012-05-23 23:42:27 UTC
Buy sell one item from/to them and get there name from wallet, add to watch list when they log off update your item by .1 isk. Market bots get busted fairly quickly nowadays as they are often connected to RMT so it's in CCP intrest to nuke them.
c4 t
Cosmic Psychedelics
#18 - 2012-05-24 00:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: c4 t
Good way to test for a bot is to run a locator agent on him. Go to his station, open the trade window, put 10m into the trade window.

If he continues to update orders, or always ceases to update orders after you do this, you should probably report him.

I did this to somebody once, and I even greened it up so all they had to do was click accept and get 10m guaranteed. He just ignored it and continued updating orders.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#19 - 2012-05-24 01:46:45 UTC
c4 t wrote:
Good way to test for a bot is to run a locator agent on him. Go to his station, open the trade window, put 10m into the trade window.

If he continues to update orders, or always ceases to update orders after you do this, you should probably report him.

I did this to somebody once, and I even greened it up so all they had to do was click accept and get 10m guaranteed. He just ignored it and continued updating orders.


My.. that is epic!

+1 like to you sir!
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#20 - 2012-05-24 05:52:37 UTC
Immortis Vexx wrote:

Some people used a specific number in the cent column to identify their order out of the bunch.

Vexx


Armed Maniac wrote:
Depending on how long ago that was, it may have been me. I did that because it made it easier to tell which order was mine.


Makes sense
I apologize for insinuating someone using this method being a bot.

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