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Bring back the old doomsday (with modifications)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#21 - 2011-10-03 16:16:55 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
Many remember the old doomsday as a lack inducing, frame rate reducing mechanic that scaled horrifically with the number of Titans in the field was neither fair or balanced. To some extent I agree... However there was a point in between Enslaver detonating the first DD and there being +20 on the grid at any one time, which for me, was a golden age of fleet warfare.

The Golden Age(?)
Interdictors tailor made to withstand a DD in a world with no HIC's. Dual DD tanked Rokhs in the age were we still sniped. Thousands of drones and fighters removed at an instant in a universe that hadn't heard of fighter bombers.

What the Old DD's did for a brief time before extreme proliferation, was create a special environment, with a certain set of rules and tactics that players learned, planned for and adapted to.

The... "Press F1 for boomheadshot" mechanic that we currently have, which still scaled poorly, sourly lacks these things and seems to be there only to placate the ever increasing number of players and allainces who invested (hugely) with both ISK, SP and the obligatory titan alt. But with several titans on the field, the HIC to successfully tackle a titan ratio goes out of control. It also means dreads become nearly pointless, coffins. Sensor boosted titans have also been known to hot drop on small gangs fortehlols.


Bringing them back(?)



Apparently you're more nostalgic for the days of cloaked-at-600km titans wiping out roaming gangs on jump in than I am, but for exactly that reason - and there are far more titans in game now than there were in 2009 - I absolutely oppose your suggestion. Making 70,000 EHP the operating minimum to fly in 0.0 simply wipes out far too much diversity. No HACs, no frigates, no cruisers (maybe baitmallers, I don't know). Sorry, but that's highly unattractive to me. The old DD was a bad game device, and it didn't even stop lag - if anything it provoked lag, because you needed even more people. There were far more lagfests then than there are now.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#22 - 2011-10-03 16:25:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Pattern Clarc wrote:
Many remember the old doomsday as a lack inducing, frame rate reducing mechanic that scaled horrifically with the number of Titans in the field was neither fair or balanced. To some extent I agree... However there was a point in between Enslaver detonating the first DD and there being +20 on the grid at any one time, which for me, was a golden age of fleet warfare.

The Golden Age(?)
Interdictors tailor made to withstand a DD in a world with no HIC's. Dual DD tanked Rokhs in the age were we still sniped. Thousands of drones and fighters removed at an instant in a universe that hadn't heard of fighter bombers.

What the Old DD's did for a brief time before extreme proliferation, was create a special environment, with a certain set of rules and tactics that players learned, planned for and adapted to.

The... "Press F1 for boomheadshot" mechanic that we currently have, which still scaled poorly, sourly lacks these things and seems to be there only to placate the ever increasing number of players and allainces who invested (hugely) with both ISK, SP and the obligatory titan alt. But with several titans on the field, the HIC to successfully tackle a titan ratio goes out of control. It also means dreads become nearly pointless, coffins. Sensor boosted titans have also been known to hot drop on small gangs fortehlols.


Bringing them back(?)



Apparently you're more nostalgic for the days of cloaked-at-600km titans wiping out roaming gangs on jump in than I am, but for exactly that reason - and there are far more titans in game now than there were in 2009 - I absolutely oppose your suggestion. Making 70,000 EHP the operating minimum to fly in 0.0 simply wipes out far too much diversity. No HACs, no frigates, no cruisers (maybe baitmallers, I don't know). Sorry, but that's highly unattractive to me. The old DD was a bad game device, and it didn't even stop lag - if anything it provoked lag, because you needed even more people. There were far more lagfests then than there are now.


Wasn't the old DD range 250km? And if you can't make HAC, let alone an interdictor or Battlecruiser withstand 70k EHP then your probably doing it wrong. Yes, there is a risk you may be DD'ed, but the risk for the Titan pilot outside of a cyno-jammed has significantly risen in magnitude.

DD's only really became a problem when half a dozen titans activated DD's almost continuously and as for lag, I think things have improved server side, for them to be used in this way to be acceptable performance wise..

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-03 16:41:59 UTC
Do you realize how dumb reintroducing AoE doomsdays are?

With the proliferation of Titans in game, this would basically implement a "you must be this tall to enter a roaming gang" as a any bored titan pilot will simply hotdrop any small roaming gang. Limiting game-play is not a good thing.

AoE Doomsdays are dumb, you are dumb for suggesting bringing them back.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#24 - 2011-10-03 16:45:44 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Do you realize how dumb reintroducing AoE doomsdays are?

With the proliferation of Titans in game, this would basically implement a "you must be this tall to enter a roaming gang" as a any bored titan pilot will simply hotdrop any small roaming gang. Limiting game-play is not a good thing.

AoE Doomsdays are dumb, you are dumb for suggesting bringing them back.

I don't think you understand just how much more risk DD'ing a random roaming gang, this new scenario would create. But then again I should have really spelled out everything in big bolded, capital letters, in the way I Goons know and love.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-03 17:21:02 UTC
A casual stroll through the asylum shows that faith proves nothing.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Commander Spurty
#26 - 2011-10-03 21:22:43 UTC
Op lives in a day dream world where people roam with solo titans.

Golden age indeed, before 50+ titans were available to one side.

Dumb idea and years out of date with reality

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Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#27 - 2011-10-03 21:45:52 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Op lives in a day dream world where people roam with solo titans.

Golden age indeed, before 50+ titans were available to one side.

Dumb idea and years out of date with reality

Spurty demonstrating the reading comprehension of posters is at an all time low... Not that that reply makes any sense.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
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