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Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#21 - 2012-05-23 05:48:39 UTC
Just EFTed this and it's ridiculously close to AFs. The dude may have a point.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#22 - 2012-05-23 08:42:28 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
subtle turtle wrote:
LOL. You clearly don't fly frigates in PVP. While in some circumstances a MWD is needed, for the most part you fly within scram range, particularly on this fit (did you miss the part where the range is WELL within scram range?). Also, with a MSE2 and a MWD, the sig on a merlin would be cruiser size, and all those battleships you are afraid of will have crushed you long before even your MWD speed would get you under their guns. AB is the right prop mod for a brawler frig. I apologize for assuming that everyone already knew that.


Ok, here's a nice common PvP scenario: you land 15km from a nanocane.

If you have a MWD, you might be able to get into web/scram range, or at least run away.

If you only have an AB, your only hope is to immediately warp out and hope you escape before the Hurricane gets a lock and point on you. The Hurricane is significantly faster than you, and will immediately be moving away from you. Transversal drops to zero, you take 100% EFT dps, and you pop in seconds.

Since the same is also true of pretty much every single other ship with medium guns, the only time an AB setup is anything other than suicide is when you have an arranged 1v1 with another frigate and a reasonable expectation that they are not using a MWD/kite fit.


What you effectively said is a T1 frig can be countered, HOLY ******* **** NOBEL PRIZE WINNING MATERIAL
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-05-23 09:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Merin Ryskin wrote:
subtle turtle wrote:
LOL. You clearly don't fly frigates in PVP. While in some circumstances a MWD is needed, for the most part you fly within scram range, particularly on this fit (did you miss the part where the range is WELL within scram range?). Also, with a MSE2 and a MWD, the sig on a merlin would be cruiser size, and all those battleships you are afraid of will have crushed you long before even your MWD speed would get you under their guns. AB is the right prop mod for a brawler frig. I apologize for assuming that everyone already knew that.


Ok, here's a nice common PvP scenario: you land 15km from a nanocane.

If you have a MWD, you might be able to get into web/scram range, or at least run away.

If you only have an AB, your only hope is to immediately warp out and hope you escape before the Hurricane gets a lock and point on you. The Hurricane is significantly faster than you, and will immediately be moving away from you. Transversal drops to zero, you take 100% EFT dps, and you pop in seconds.

Since the same is also true of pretty much every single other ship with medium guns, the only time an AB setup is anything other than suicide is when you have an arranged 1v1 with another frigate and a reasonable expectation that they are not using a MWD/kite fit.


Who is this chick/dude?

@ 15k you have plenty of time to close range, point, web, and get under theyre guns!!! A cane is not going to outrun you with no mwd let alone with a web on him. In fact youd prob be set @ double that range. Your only problems would be his drones, and/or if he has them fit neuts/webs nothing to do with what your on about.

No Worries
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-05-23 09:33:45 UTC
Confirming that Merlin is powerhouse.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#25 - 2012-05-23 09:56:33 UTC
Technically off-topic, but the incursus looks like it's going to be pretty fun now too.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2012-05-23 09:58:22 UTC
subtle turtle wrote:
The new merlin may be a bit....OP? Amazing? I don't know, you decide.

It can now fit a full rack of Neutrons, with 1 MAPC in the lows (mag stab and DCU 2 as well), with scram/web/MSE2/AB in the mids. Rigs are 2 shield extenders/1 EM hardener

With my skills and Caldari Navy Antimatter it shoves out 172.8 DPS cold at 1125/4125m, with null for range it's 137.7 DPS cold at
3150/7350m. Add heat and it's 198.7 with CN anti and 158.4 with null.

All with a decent buffer at 6065 EHP, shield resists 67/48/61/68, speed is 953m/s cold with a limited AB.

That DPS is INSANE for a t1 frig that isn't fully gank fit! Granted the speed and range is a little low, but with a web you should be OK. This should kill pretty much every other T1 frig that can't kite it.

Sorry about the crappy way of posting the fit, PYFA isn't updated to inferno yet.



Oh cool, so when you say it's "a bit OP" you mean it's competitive with the Rifter? (More tank, rather slower)

I'm OK with that.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#27 - 2012-05-23 10:31:10 UTC
I have tested it with a friend against the standard rifter, and it rocks. Of course if the rifter pilot know what he is doing he can avoid the fight, but once he is commited to it, well, the new merlin eat the rifter even before the shields burn out.

Of course, 1v1 perfect solo scenario is an utopy but... the merlin is a powerhouse.

I'm trying to fit a nano on the merlin and see if the speed is trade enough for the blaster downgrade (electrons instead of neutrons)
Ra Doma
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-23 12:03:32 UTC
Hmm i forgot to look at the other frigs. was too busy looking for targets in my Incursus lol. Thank god they didn't remove the resist bonus from the Merlin.

Yay for t1 frigs being fun again after the AF buff.
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#29 - 2012-05-23 12:12:04 UTC
Ra Doma wrote:
Hmm i forgot to look at the other frigs. was too busy looking for targets in my Incursus lol. Thank god they didn't remove the resist bonus from the Merlin.

Yay for t1 frigs being fun again after the AF buff.


Only thing I don't like about incursus "buff" is the armor rep "upgrade"... while this is just personal taste, I can't IMAGINE the fun with those extra 2 lows and keeping the falloff bonus lol
Ra Doma
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-23 12:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ra Doma
Fireflyb1 wrote:
Ra Doma wrote:
Hmm i forgot to look at the other frigs. was too busy looking for targets in my Incursus lol. Thank god they didn't remove the resist bonus from the Merlin.

Yay for t1 frigs being fun again after the AF buff.


Only thing I don't like about incursus "buff" is the armor rep "upgrade"... while this is just personal taste, I can't IMAGINE the fun with those extra 2 lows and keeping the falloff bonus lol


My test fit i put 200mm plate, t2 rep, dcu, magstab. with 2x ambit 1x anti exp rigs. Only 1 real fight so far but it didnt hit structure while fighting a 400mm plated rifter. It lost the falloff bonus for the rep bonus.

ed: derp nevermind i see what you mean. And hell yea that would be awesome if it kept the falloff bonus ha.
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#31 - 2012-05-23 12:47:02 UTC
Ra Doma wrote:
Fireflyb1 wrote:
Ra Doma wrote:
Hmm i forgot to look at the other frigs. was too busy looking for targets in my Incursus lol. Thank god they didn't remove the resist bonus from the Merlin.

Yay for t1 frigs being fun again after the AF buff.


Only thing I don't like about incursus "buff" is the armor rep "upgrade"... while this is just personal taste, I can't IMAGINE the fun with those extra 2 lows and keeping the falloff bonus lol


My test fit i put 200mm plate, t2 rep, dcu, magstab. with 2x ambit 1x anti exp rigs. Only 1 real fight so far but it didnt hit structure while fighting a 400mm plated rifter. It lost the falloff bonus for the rep bonus.

ed: derp nevermind i see what you mean. And hell yea that would be awesome if it kept the falloff bonus ha.


Yeah it'd be nice :)

But considering that I can have mwd, 3x light neutrons, and also hybrid damage rigs with PG left over, I can still fit a rep on there and maybe tracking enhancer, just for the utility of it... who knows :D lots more you can do with it now, as well as merlin.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-05-23 12:47:36 UTC
After nearly 5 years of EVE, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see a Caldari frigate referred to as a "powerhouse".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-05-23 13:05:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
subtle turtle wrote:
The new merlin may be a bit....OP? Amazing? I don't know, you decide.

It can now fit a full rack of Neutrons, with 1 MAPC in the lows (mag stab and DCU 2 as well), with scram/web/MSE2/AB in the mids. Rigs are 2 shield extenders/1 EM hardener

With my skills and Caldari Navy Antimatter it shoves out 172.8 DPS cold at 1125/4125m, with null for range it's 137.7 DPS cold at
3150/7350m. Add heat and it's 198.7 with CN anti and 158.4 with null.

All with a decent buffer at 6065 EHP, shield resists 67/48/61/68, speed is 953m/s cold with a limited AB.

That DPS is INSANE for a t1 frig that isn't fully gank fit! Granted the speed and range is a little low, but with a web you should be OK. This should kill pretty much every other T1 frig that can't kite it.

Sorry about the crappy way of posting the fit, PYFA isn't updated to inferno yet.



Oh cool, so when you say it's "a bit OP" you mean it's competitive with the Rifter? (More tank, rather slower)

I'm OK with that.


Indeed. I haven't tried the new Merlin so I'm not going to comment on specifics, but since the Merlin is much less mobile than the RIfter, it damn well ought to have a meaningful firepower advantage.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#34 - 2012-05-23 13:46:26 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
After nearly 5 years of EVE, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see a Caldari frigate referred to as a "powerhouse".
The kestrel is a cyno powerhouse.

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Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#35 - 2012-05-23 13:48:21 UTC
Merin Ryskin still thinks it's relevant. S&M 2008 called, it wants it's troll back.
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#36 - 2012-05-23 13:59:47 UTC
How do you like them apples uh?

Glad you enjoy the Merlin, we love it when a plan comes together. This is still unfortunate we couldn't get more than a handful of frigates rebalanced for Inferno, but we hopefully should be able to ramp the effort up in the near future.

Now, go forth, dear minions, your frigates shall blot out the sun, go get some Tormentor / Punisher / Incursus and give us some feedback on those as well! P
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-05-23 14:25:44 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
How do you like them apples uh?

Glad you enjoy the Merlin, we love it when a plan comes together. This is still unfortunate we couldn't get more than a handful of frigates rebalanced for Inferno, but we hopefully should be able to ramp the effort up in the near future.

Now, go forth, dear minions, your frigates shall blot out the sun, go get some Tormentor / Punisher / Incursus and give us some feedback on those as well! P


Thanks for the constant feedback.

Can't wait for the Cruisers and T1 BCs. ;)

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-05-23 14:34:51 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
This is still unfortunate we couldn't get more than a handful of frigates rebalanced for Inferno, but we hopefully should be able to ramp the effort up in the near future. P

I'm not a software developer but somehow It feels like changing a few variables here and there doesn't take too much time.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-05-23 14:46:32 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
After nearly 5 years of EVE, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see a Caldari frigate referred to as a "powerhouse".
The kestrel is a cyno powerhouse.



You made me laugh and now the people I work with are looking at me

There's no way I can explain to them...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2012-05-23 14:47:22 UTC
Vito Antonio wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
This is still unfortunate we couldn't get more than a handful of frigates rebalanced for Inferno, but we hopefully should be able to ramp the effort up in the near future. P

I'm not a software developer but somehow It feels like changing a few variables here and there doesn't take too much time.


That part probably takes about 5 minutes.

Deciding what to change them to, on the other hand....

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016