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Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#21 - 2012-05-22 18:22:47 UTC
Because it isn't a Mach, it has different stats, different bonuses, and rather than using range and having GTFO ability, it's usually packing hard tackle and going to have to shoot it's way or tank it's way out of trouble. And that requires more isk to even have a chance.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#22 - 2012-05-22 18:26:09 UTC
Yeah, like GTFO in a Mach is a hell lot easier than any other BS. Admit it, its just the phalic shape that drives people to it.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#23 - 2012-05-22 18:30:34 UTC
Besides, Im not saying the Mach is a bad ship. I'm saying the Vindicator is NOT a bad ship.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#24 - 2012-05-22 18:37:17 UTC
And please try some rails. It has been some time since the buff, youre a bit outdated about the range thing on the Vindicator.
Last time I checked it did about the same damage as arties.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#25 - 2012-05-22 18:52:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Copine Callmeknau
Stop shitpoasting

If you think the mach has no more gtfo ability than any other BS you should probably biomass

Vindi is awesome, but everyone flying one KNOWS it's a space coffin, just a very very fun space coffin




Jta Grl wrote:
And please try some rails. It has been some time since the buff, youre a bit outdated about the range thing on the Vindicator.
Last time I checked it did about the same damage as arties.

On second thoughts you should probably just go play in traffic
Fuckin idiot, railvindi for solo pvp.
l
o
l

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#26 - 2012-05-22 19:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jta Grl
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Stop shitpoasting

If you think the mach has no more gtfo ability than any other BS you should probably biomass

Vindi is awesome, but everyone flying one KNOWS it's a space coffin, just a very very fun space coffin




Jta Grl wrote:
And please try some rails. It has been some time since the buff, youre a bit outdated about the range thing on the Vindicator.
Last time I checked it did about the same damage as arties.

On second thoughts you should probably just go play in traffic
Fuckin idiot, railvindi for solo pvp.
l
o
l


I can't argue against your awesome "lol" diagramation skills.
On the other hand I fly a Vindicator in PVE for half a year so its far from being a coffin.
Previous poster argument was that the Mach has better GTFO because of range, my counter argument was rail range. Nowhere I said it was supposed to be solo.

Now stfu you made dolphins cry. I will post all the **** I want unless told otherwise by a GM.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-05-22 19:45:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Jta Grl wrote:
And please try some rails. It has been some time since the buff, youre a bit outdated about the range thing on the Vindicator.
Last time I checked it did about the same damage as arties.



I'm actually one of those that trades easily new rails+bonus tracking ammo vs blasters everyday, less dps? -sure, however tell me how much can you tank 6+k volleys every 5sec with support drones over you. Not even in need of an uber blaster vindi to kill crap when using +25% tracking bonus ammo in a ship ALREADY having a base bonus for tracking.

Not even worried about not having +90%webs, stuff will die anyway and the good stuff is that with rails a simple switch to faction AM alouds you to shoot the dam thing moving away from 30km+ up to 95 with 0 tracking issues, believe me or not, most often the "stuff" will move somewhere else.

Med moving gang with some support, Rails are now something I don't have any problem at using them. JUst a matter of experience and quick decision of the right ammo/drones for the right target. However, med gang size in my terms means not more than a 10 man group.
I'm probably wrong, but this thing can do some stuff if you have good skills.

Edit: still gate/station champions, but rails actually can offer now a new role with a very decent dps/tracking at all ranges, this is very important for fleet battles.
Hope to see those soon in large fleet battles thx to this new uber jump stuff whatever name is. I'd be glad to get burn in Fed Navy Megas instead of everything else, as long as I can/have a good chance of succeed with in these conditions.

brb
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#28 - 2012-05-22 20:02:02 UTC
Jta Grl wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Stop shitpoasting

If you think the mach has no more gtfo ability than any other BS you should probably biomass

Vindi is awesome, but everyone flying one KNOWS it's a space coffin, just a very very fun space coffin




Jta Grl wrote:
And please try some rails. It has been some time since the buff, youre a bit outdated about the range thing on the Vindicator.
Last time I checked it did about the same damage as arties.

On second thoughts you should probably just go play in traffic
Fuckin idiot, railvindi for solo pvp.
l
o
l


I can't argue against your awesome "lol" diagramation skills.
On the other hand I fly a Vindicator in PVE for half a year so its far from being a coffin.
Previous poster argument was that the Mach has better GTFO because of range, my counter argument was rail range. Nowhere I said it was supposed to be solo.

Now stfu you made dolphins cry. I will post all the **** I want unless told otherwise by a GM.

Well maybe if you read the thread you'll know that the OP was after SOLO PVP fits and advice, not fail rail PvE fits

You should probably read every post twice though, because the poster you responded to said the mach has GTFO ability and range, not that the range was the gtfo ability.
Your argument and counter argument is crap, you come onto a PvP thread telling everyone that the vindi is just as affordable as a mach (it isn't), then go on to state the vindi has the same gtfo ability as the mach (it doesn't), finally topping it all off by advising people to fly railvindi's on the basis they are just as good as arties (lolmygod), and you know this - regardless of what experienced PvPers say - because you shot NPC's with one for a few months.


Leaving aside the fact you have to molest the **** out of a vindi to make rails work, because it's a ship with specifically pre-nerfed stats to discourage the use of them

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#29 - 2012-05-22 20:31:13 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:

You should probably read every post twice though, because the poster you responded to said the mach has GTFO ability and range, not that the range was the gtfo ability.
Your argument and counter argument is crap, you come onto a PvP thread telling everyone that the vindi is just as affordable as a mach (it isn't), then go on to state the vindi has the same gtfo ability as the mach (it doesn't), finally topping it all off by advising people to fly railvindi's on the basis they are just as good as arties (lolmygod), and you know this - regardless of what experienced PvPers say - because you shot NPC's with one for a few months.


Leaving aside the fact you have to molest the **** out of a vindi to make rails work, because it's a ship with specifically pre-nerfed stats to discourage the use of them


1 - Vindi IS cheaper than Mach. Information available in your closest trade hub.
2 - I said the Mach isn't a "HELL LOT better than any other BS" to GTFO. I didn't said the Vindi has the same ability for it.
3 - Railguns DO about the same damage at the same range as Arties since the rail buff. It's a mathematical fact, I dont know it because I chew rats like corn flakes with them (and I do), its because the attribute stats shows it does.

And to finish it I didn't avised anything. Thead OP bailed out a long time ago. Thread title is "Vindicator", not "Vindicator PVP only". I'm talking about what I know of the Vindicator, wich is more than what you do for what you said about rails. Yeah, its pre-nerfed, boo-hoo I cant fit rails on it /cry.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#30 - 2012-05-22 22:19:12 UTC
Jta Grl wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:

You should probably read every post twice though, because the poster you responded to said the mach has GTFO ability and range, not that the range was the gtfo ability.
Your argument and counter argument is crap, you come onto a PvP thread telling everyone that the vindi is just as affordable as a mach (it isn't), then go on to state the vindi has the same gtfo ability as the mach (it doesn't), finally topping it all off by advising people to fly railvindi's on the basis they are just as good as arties (lolmygod), and you know this - regardless of what experienced PvPers say - because you shot NPC's with one for a few months.


Leaving aside the fact you have to molest the **** out of a vindi to make rails work, because it's a ship with specifically pre-nerfed stats to discourage the use of them


1 - Vindi IS cheaper than Mach. Information available in your closest trade hub.
2 - I said the Mach isn't a "HELL LOT better than any other BS" to GTFO. I didn't said the Vindi has the same ability for it.
3 - Railguns DO about the same damage at the same range as Arties since the rail buff. It's a mathematical fact, I dont know it because I chew rats like corn flakes with them (and I do), its because the attribute stats shows it does.

And to finish it I didn't avised anything. Thead OP bailed out a long time ago. Thread title is "Vindicator", not "Vindicator PVP only". I'm talking about what I know of the Vindicator, wich is more than what you do for what you said about rails. Yeah, its pre-nerfed, boo-hoo I cant fit rails on it /cry.


1) Cheaper != More affordable.
I'll break it down for you. Ship A is 500 mil, Ship B is 1bil. Ship A dies 9 times out of ten, Ship B dies 1 time out of ten.
Ship A is cheaper, Ship B is more affordable
Vindi will die more in PvP, mach is almost always going to get away. ergo, mach is more affordable.

2) You're wrong, the mach IS a hell of a lot better at GTFO than any other BS, it's much much faster and much much more agile. That's why it's expensive and everywhere

3) Railguns actually do more paper dps than arties since the rail buff, that's a pretty useless stat though considering arties still have triple the alpha. Because of frontloading you won't even approach his damage until the arty ship until is on his 5-6'th volley.
Maelstrom does what you're trying to do, but better and cheaper.



And yes, the thread title is 'Vindicator', not 'How to ruin a Vindicator' or 'How to PvE in the wrong ship'
If it was one of the latter I might understand why you tell people to use rails


I know all about rails, I used them on the vindi once, took me about 30 seconds to realise how terrible they were and fit neutrons back on.

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#31 - 2012-05-22 23:17:37 UTC
**** this EVE browser, how the hell did the EVE ******* browser doesn't save drafts.
Ok, Mach is better rail Vindi sucks bye.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#32 - 2012-05-22 23:23:48 UTC
Jta Grl wrote:
**** this EVE browser, how the hell did the EVE ******* browser doesn't save drafts.
Ok, Mach is better rail Vindi sucks bye.

Lol

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#33 - 2012-05-22 23:33:47 UTC
Jta Grl wrote:
On the other hand I fly a Vindicator in PVE for half a year so its far from being a coffin.
At first I was like
Shocked
then
Roll
then
Ugh
then
Straight
then
Smile
then
P
then
Big smile
then
Lol

then I ran out of smilies to mock you and your "advices".

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#34 - 2012-05-23 00:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jta Grl
Reppyk wrote:
Jta Grl wrote:
On the other hand I fly a Vindicator in PVE for half a year so its far from being a coffin.
At first I was like
Shocked
then
Roll
then
Ugh
then
Straight
then
Smile
then
P
then
Big smile
then
Lol

then I ran out of smilies to mock you and your "advices".


So many expressions... such a constructive tought. +1
EDIT: testing unlike button now. Not working. Total fail at being sarcastic.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#35 - 2012-05-23 00:42:26 UTC
Its OK if you don't understand it now.
Falkwen
Caldari Navy Operations
#36 - 2012-05-23 09:08:28 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Because the OP is bizarrely chickenshit, here are her posts in chronological order:


Quote:
Never flown one but looking to now for solo PvP. For those who own and fly them can you post here your experiences and good or bad points with the ship. And more importantly fits please



Quote:
I did lose a Chimera with Fighters and a Heavy Cap booster yes. Thank you for your concern but the question still stands and with or without input from those who have flown the ship I will still take one to space. Of course I would like to have input from someone rather than have you who appears to be an ALT post on something you clearly know nothing about in my carrier loss and what happened.



Quote:
The kill post doesn't show fighters but trust me I had 10 of them as only that morning I was using them on a sleeper site. I guess you believe everything you read in the papers as well?



Quote:
To everyone above and or below. Sorry I posted this. My mistake it won't happen again. Oh and Im sorry that I lost a carrier. If only I had all your skills and insight.... Still live and learn I always say.

Cryissa signing off.



Haha, on second thoughts, no wonder she deleted everything!



http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14832494
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#37 - 2012-05-23 13:46:21 UTC
Falkwen
Caldari Navy Operations
#38 - 2012-05-23 13:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Falkwen
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Falkwen wrote:


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14832494




We can go on linking fits all day long that didn't work, failed somehow, or are just plain lulz-worthy, yet where would we be without a point?



I think mine trumps yours. I could also say what was the point of you sniping my CEO and slag her off. All she was after was adivce and a fit and you toss pot trolls come out to play. What gives?
Victor Sane
A-1 Industrial and Salvage
#39 - 2012-05-24 11:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Sane
well i wouldnt use an expensive faction battleship for pvp, only for pve. It kinda paints you as a first or second objective kill in pvp fleet fights.
As far as solo pvp goes on, thats like tournament stuff right? cause no one in low sec on tq solo's in null sec or war :) its called the more the merrier cats wins Roll (ofcourse that isnt always true but still)
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#40 - 2012-05-24 12:08:47 UTC
In a fleet of -say- 15 BSs fighting another -say- 15 BSs at random 15km positions around a gate (as opposed to tightly bunched in a ball) and with the usual secondary drama going on (i.e. Falcon's warping in and out at 40-60kms, logi's trying to keep range etc etc) I d be surprised if a Javelin Mega or Mega variant did not get better applied dps than a Void/CNAM/Null Mega or Mega variant.

Be that as it may I would not waste a Vindicator for that role. I mean in this case all you get for your billion is the wee bit extra dps that's far outclassed by the more expensive lossmail that will inevitably ensue every now and then if you let 15 peeps blap at it.

A solo Vindi on the other hand can use the extra dps and ehp and the web bonus and the extra midslot to vastly outperform the bog standard Mega at a 1v1 1v2 1v3 sort of situation.

Not trying to vindicate anyone's opinion here... just stating the simple facts as this thread has become somewhat confusing for newer reader.
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