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I just wanted to give a pro tip to all the market guys regarding FW changes..
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#1 - 2012-05-22 23:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Minmatar are winning vs Amarr and their ship LP prices are now as follows with current lvl 4 upgrades & 64% system control. (expect prices to go down once they hit lvl V system upgrades)

Firetail = 5k LP
Scythe Fleet Issue = 15k LP
Stabber Fleet Issue = 23.5k LP
Typhoon Fleet Issue = 75k LP
Tempest Fleet Issue = 125k LP

Gallentte are in similar position as they are also winning on system captures but have been lazy on upgrading their systems with LPs, but you can expect their LP prices to be close to Minmatar..

Caldari & Amarr on the other hand are both losing and having much higher LP prices..


Amarr LP points as follows :


Imperial Navy Slicer = 40k LP
Augoror Navy Issue = 120k LP
Omen Navy Issue = 180k LP
Armageddon Navy Issue = 600k LP
Apocalypse Navy Issue = 1 million LP

One can assume that Both Caldari/Amarr & Minmatar/Gallentte will have similar prices once the market flushes it's self out. Mutnins's pro market advice based on insider trading info.. (no SCC in space) sugests that you dump your Minmatar & Gallentte faction ships now before the prices fall off a cliff & buy up existing stocks of Caldari & Amarr ships prior to their increases.

Bonus pro tip.. Buy up Galentte & Minmatar Nexus chips & dump or hold your Caldari & Amarr chips.

I just wanted to make aware to my fellow Marketeers, the drastic changes to the Navy Faction prices, that will soon be hitting the market. I wouldn't want those dirty Minmatar & Gallentte scum trying to swindle you out of your hard earned ISK prior to the market adjusting.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2 - 2012-05-22 23:46:05 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Did Minmatar seriously already achieve level 4 war zone control? Please provide screenshots as proof, thanks, and note that level 4 in a single system is by no means the same thing as level 4 in the whole war zone.

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fofofo
snake pies
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#3 - 2012-05-22 23:48:46 UTC
clearly FW groups need leaders that ask them to hold on the LP and sell them in a controlled manner. Just because there is more minmatar LP out there, doesn't mean they can't create a cartel to control the prices and keep them exactly at the same as Amarr.

It's winning twice; good return for LP + no one bothers with amarr just for LP lure ensuring stability of your power and wealth.

I have a feeling FW is a model that can eventually be applied to nullsec moon income as well.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#4 - 2012-05-22 23:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
corestwo wrote:
Did Minmatar seriously already achieve level 4 war zone control? Please provide screenshots as proof, thanks, and note that level 4 in a single system is by no means the same thing as level 4 in the whole war zone.


Min vs Amarr

Of course I have already made my ISk by this insider info and have my own stock piles of Amarr &Caldari ships.. I just wanted to help lay the final blow on the soon to crumble Galentte & Minmatar Faction ship prices.

The fights for system control happened prior to patch being released, when systems could be captured in 6 hours while now they will take much much longer. This means Gal & Min ship prices will remain low for quite some time & Caldari & Amarr will sky rocket and hold.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#5 - 2012-05-23 00:19:41 UTC
lol. well that thoroughly dashes my predictions.

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fofofo
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#6 - 2012-05-23 03:19:45 UTC
The markets in Jita and Amarr where already trending on Caldari and Gallante heading down, Minmatar tried to rally over and over to no avail.

Amarr, particularly the Geddon was obviously, eventually going to take a bearish pattern and form a new resistance around 400m, this will put it in line with the other prices and of course this is what I personally think the navy Armageddon is worth at the very moment of Inferno release, this is not set in stone, just my OP
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#7 - 2012-05-23 03:43:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Kara Books wrote:
The markets in Jita and Amarr where already trending on Caldari and Gallante heading down, Minmatar tried to rally over and over to no avail.

Amarr, particularly the Geddon was obviously, eventually going to take a bearish pattern and form a new resistance around 400m, this will put it in line with the other prices and of course this is what I personally think the navy Armageddon is worth at the very moment of Inferno release, this is not set in stone, just my OP



Well it's all about the supply & demand..

Typhoons FI & Domi navy issues will fall because the farmers will pump too many on the market trying to get that mad rush of profits out of the current prices & the 75k LP cost.

There is no other place to get the Geddon & Scorp Navy Issues so once their prices goes upward it will only come back down if the Caldari & Amarr sides can win back their system to get a back to normal LP cost.

It's already down to a handful of Scorp Navy issues in Jita left on the market and the price has gone up to 425mil. There is still a decent amount of Geddons on the market but once those start to dry up prices will go up to at the very least 500 mil is what I'm guessing.

In reality the Navy Geddon is 600k LP and the only place it can be bought is in the FW LP store. Even at 1 mil isk per LP which is a horrible exchange rate it would mean 600 mil not including the 80 or 90 mil for the T1 hull & the nexus chip.

It will likely just depend on how many farmers that have stashed away LPs will sell their's off now while the prices are a bit higher vs later when they should be much higher. Secondary issue is will there be any demand for the ship at that price.

The Scorps should still have a decent demand even at the higher price due to them being used for PVE.
malaire
#8 - 2012-05-23 06:26:55 UTC
Also don't forget many common items you can buy from FW LP stores, like implants. At max control level (> 80%) you could buy implants at 25% cost compared to non-FW LP stores.

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#9 - 2012-05-23 07:28:22 UTC
Very disappointed that Minmatar didn't hit Tier 5 within patch afternoon, lots of people didn't pull their weight. The FW items will become very cheap very quickly as people flood the market, but other items with maintain the LP store strength


I think navy geddons should settle at 600m ish, Navy apocs may cap at like 800m from the highsec corp influence. Should see the smaller Amarr ships up quite a bit too (Slicer is already starting to climb). With current systems there is no way amarr can achieve even Tier 2 LP store, and looks like they will be losing them before they gain them.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#10 - 2012-05-23 07:32:05 UTC
snake pies wrote:
clearly FW groups need leaders that ask them to hold on the LP and sell them in a controlled manner. Just because there is more minmatar LP out there, doesn't mean they can't create a cartel to control the prices and keep them exactly at the same as Amarr.



I think the fact that the leaders of FW haven't even got the systems upgraded to Tier 5 shows how much control they have, don't expect people to do then sensible thing at all.
Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-23 08:44:56 UTC
snake pies wrote:
clearly FW groups need leaders that ask them to hold on the LP and sell them in a controlled manner. Just because there is more minmatar LP out there, doesn't mean they can't create a cartel to control the prices and keep them exactly at the same as Amarr.

Creating a cartel like that would require that you get every single person who can generate minmatar fw LP on board, which will never happen. Also, minmatar LP store products are very different to tech in that the demand for them is much, *much* more variable; if tech shoots up to 300k/unit, it'll still sell because people want to and expect to fly T2 and will keep paying. If Stabber Fleet Issues shoot up to 200m each, people will just abandon them and fly vagas or hurricanes or w/e instead.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#12 - 2012-05-23 08:58:15 UTC
Tsubutai wrote:
snake pies wrote:
clearly FW groups need leaders that ask them to hold on the LP and sell them in a controlled manner. Just because there is more minmatar LP out there, doesn't mean they can't create a cartel to control the prices and keep them exactly at the same as Amarr.

Creating a cartel like that would require that you get every single person who can generate minmatar fw LP on board, which will never happen. Also, minmatar LP store products are very different to tech in that the demand for them is much, *much* more variable; if tech shoots up to 300k/unit, it'll still sell because people want to and expect to fly T2 and will keep paying. If Stabber Fleet Issues shoot up to 200m each, people will just abandon them and fly vagas or hurricanes or w/e instead.



Totally agree with that point on cruisers, and to a lesser extent frigates, but the T2 BS just aren't combat viable. Navy geddons and apocs represent a great improvement over T1 thanks to more lows and armour. The only price cap for these items are the pirate cruisers really, I'm not saying they will get that expensive, they almost definitely won't, but I think its the only hard cap on the navy BS.
Skadi vonNiflheim
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-23 09:59:34 UTC
hmm wonder if this will turn into people paying FW players to loose in order for the prices to go up just like with oil
sonofahb
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-23 14:46:36 UTC  |  Edited by: sonofahb
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Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-23 16:32:23 UTC
Are certain datacores limited to certain factions, if so which?
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-05-23 18:38:50 UTC
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Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-05-23 21:24:02 UTC
It seems like I chose my research skills correctly last year then :)