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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-05-22 20:57:26 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yeah, OP didn't really think through those consequences. You could flip a can full of ore and then have your own hauler empty the new can while you reship to shed aggression.

Keep shooting those ninjas! One day they'll learn their lesson!

I'm saying he jumps in flying salvager, I destroy it. He cannot reship and come shoot me he must then be shot in his new ship before he can return fire. So he can't use the mission ships to his advantage because I got pissed off with him salvaging my wrecks.

Losing aggression when you reship means it's impossible to react to escalating situations. Suppose I canflip a miner in a destroyer. He doesn't bite, but suddenly five of his corpmates show up and take a few shots at me before I warp off (because they're idiots and don't have points). I grab something better suited to fighting a small gang and come back...only I'm no longer allowed to shoot at them, because *gasp* I'm in a different ship!

I just don't think if you're a thief you should be given as many options.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#22 - 2012-05-22 21:01:36 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yeah, OP didn't really think through those consequences. You could flip a can full of ore and then have your own hauler empty the new can while you reship to shed aggression.

Keep shooting those ninjas! One day they'll learn their lesson!

I'm saying he jumps in flying salvager, I destroy it. He cannot reship and come shoot me he must then be shot in his new ship before he can return fire. So he can't use the mission ships to his advantage because I got pissed off with him salvaging my wrecks.

Losing aggression when you reship means it's impossible to react to escalating situations. Suppose I canflip a miner in a destroyer. He doesn't bite, but suddenly five of his corpmates show up and take a few shots at me before I warp off (because they're idiots and don't have points). I grab something better suited to fighting a small gang and come back...only I'm no longer allowed to shoot at them, because *gasp* I'm in a different ship!

I just don't think if you're a thief you should be given as many options.


If I steal from you, you have the option to shoot me for 15min, no matter how little threat I pose. In real life you don't get that option, you can only shoot me if I'm threatening you as well.

Anyway, in a game that explicitly encourages theft and crime in *ALL* forms, why should you get more advantages over a thief than you do now? You get to shoot first and choose whether or not to engage. Those are enormous advantages.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#23 - 2012-05-22 21:03:31 UTC
By the way, you should stop crying over losing 4 noob ships.

Poast with your Main.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-05-22 21:14:32 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
By the way, you should stop crying over losing 4 noob ships.

Poast with your Main.

Haha
and i thought i was the only one to check his/her combat history

I agree.
Post the loss Moonlit Raid

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#25 - 2012-05-23 01:15:58 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
pop your wrecks to troll them, abandon all to see if they're just baiting.


I wouldn't mind a ninja savager who asks, most of the time I would just say go head, follow me around you can loot either 100% or let me have 10% or whatever I feel like.

but the moment I feel any kind of agro, I just pop the wrecks and ignore them, sooner or later they go away, after all there's no ISK in following me around and quite a pain getting trolled by the guy they want to troll in the first place.

No tears, no ISK
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#26 - 2012-05-23 01:21:40 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
pop your wrecks to troll them, abandon all to see if they're just baiting.


I wouldn't mind a ninja savager who asks, most of the time I would just say go head, follow me around you can loot either 100% or let me have 10% or whatever I feel like.

but the moment I feel any kind of agro, I just pop the wrecks and ignore them, sooner or later they go away, after all there's no ISK in following me around and quite a pain getting trolled by the guy they want to troll in the first place.

No tears, no ISK


Popping wrecks are tears. Your ammo costs isk, and you're hurting your income by wasting time on the wrecks.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-23 01:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
RubyPorto wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
pop your wrecks to troll them, abandon all to see if they're just baiting.


I wouldn't mind a ninja savager who asks, most of the time I would just say go head, follow me around you can loot either 100% or let me have 10% or whatever I feel like.

but the moment I feel any kind of agro, I just pop the wrecks and ignore them, sooner or later they go away, after all there's no ISK in following me around and quite a pain getting trolled by the guy they want to troll in the first place.

No tears, no ISK


Popping wrecks are tears. Your ammo costs isk, and you're hurting your income by wasting time on the wrecks.

They could be earning isk missioning... As long as im not using t2 ammo I could give 0 fucks about 40 isk a shot.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-05-23 03:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
RubyPorto wrote:
By the way, you should stop crying over losing 4 noob ships.

Poast with your Main.

Who's crying over losing 4 noob ships? I suppose I have 0 kills too eh?
Lost a lot more than 4. I love battleclinic, when you guys check it to poke fun it just turns up ****. If I don't post my kills who's gonna post their losses?

I lost a raven btw.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2012-05-23 03:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Moonlit Raid wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
By the way, you should stop crying over losing 4 noob ships.

Poast with your Main.

Who's crying over losing 4 noob ships? I suppose I have 0 kills too eh?
Lost a lot more than 4. I love battleclinic, when you guys check it to poke fun it just turns up ****. If I don't post my kills who's gonna post their losses?

I lost a raven btw.


Yeah, sure you've killed things. And never got killed in anything but a noobship. And still haven't realized that battleclinic is too terrible for words.

Most people have their APIs linked, at least to their Corp's killboard.

So you're claiming that you successfully Solo (since the api would pull kills from other helpful pilots) with 0 losses ever (cause other people post their kills), and never kill anyone who's in a corp (see api pull point above). That's what you're claiming if you want us to believe that this isn't a forum alt.

EDIT: Then post the mail or post with your main.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-05-23 04:18:32 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
By the way, you should stop crying over losing 4 noob ships.

Poast with your Main.

Who's crying over losing 4 noob ships? I suppose I have 0 kills too eh?
Lost a lot more than 4. I love battleclinic, when you guys check it to poke fun it just turns up ****. If I don't post my kills who's gonna post their losses?

I lost a raven btw.


Yeah, sure you've killed things. And never got killed in anything but a noobship. And still haven't realized that battleclinic is too terrible for words.

Most people have their APIs linked, at least to their Corp's killboard.

So you're claiming that you successfully Solo (since the api would pull kills from other helpful pilots) with 0 losses ever (cause other people post their kills), and never kill anyone who's in a corp (see api pull point above). That's what you're claiming if you want us to believe that this isn't a forum alt.


I don't have my API linked, and never will on any of my accounts. That's just silly, my dicks bigger than your ****.

I'm not claiming any kills or any losses, I'm simply saying if I pop someone I'm never going to post it myself so if it's ever recorded it's because they posted it. And most people aren't too happy about posting their losses now are they? I'd rather be playing the game than oogling at stats.

Quote:
EDIT: Then post the mail or post with your main.
To fulfil what function?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2012-05-23 04:41:32 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:


I don't have my API linked, and never will on any of my accounts. That's just silly, my dicks bigger than your ****.

I'm not claiming any kills or any losses, I'm simply saying if I pop someone I'm never going to post it myself so if it's ever recorded it's because they posted it. And most people aren't too happy about posting their losses now are they? I'd rather be playing the game than oogling at stats.

___________

To fulfil what function?


Didn't say you did. I said that other people do. And by claiming
Moonlit Raid wrote:

If I don't post my kills who's gonna post their losses?

you are claiming that you have kills that you refrain from posting.

Most PvPers are all too happy to post their losses, because stats are, in fact, unimportant. However, there is a social aspect to killmails. They give you a sort of public face where people can guess at your preferences and style.


The reason people post with their mains is that this is a social game, and most people don't like interacting with blank faces with no history and no future.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-05-23 04:54:38 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:


I don't have my API linked, and never will on any of my accounts. That's just silly, my dicks bigger than your ****.

I'm not claiming any kills or any losses, I'm simply saying if I pop someone I'm never going to post it myself so if it's ever recorded it's because they posted it. And most people aren't too happy about posting their losses now are they? I'd rather be playing the game than oogling at stats.

___________

To fulfil what function?


Didn't say you did. I said that other people do. And by claiming
Moonlit Raid wrote:

If I don't post my kills who's gonna post their losses?

you are claiming that you have kills that you refrain from posting.

Most PvPers are all too happy to post their losses, because stats are, in fact, unimportant. However, there is a social aspect to killmails. They give you a sort of public face where people can guess at your preferences and style.


The reason people post with their mains is that this is a social game, and most people don't like interacting with blank faces with no history and no future.

Well if we're gonna get philosophical, knowledge is power, the less people know the less likely they're gonna be able to avoid me.

As I'm refraining from posting them just assume I have none. And as for EVE being a social game, yes and no. People aren't allowed to get on with what they want to do with like minded people. People are pulled into other aspects of the game even if they don't want to be and any friendly spirit breaks down instantly. For instance I've just read the carebear post about opting out of PvP. I don't see a problem with that. If you really want to kill him jump in a tornado and alpha blast his hulk. I don't see any need for all corps to be "dec'able" (certain conditions nullifying this [POS being one]). Also I think bounties should be easier to claim in high sec, but don't have any useful suggestions for that I'm afraid.

But back to the thread. Less chance of getting popped by caldari NPC's because someone likes popping battleships.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Oraac Ensor
#33 - 2012-05-23 05:14:31 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I just don't think if you're a thief you should be given as many options.

A ninja-salvager isn't a thief.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-05-23 05:20:26 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I just don't think if you're a thief you should be given as many options.

A ninja-salvager isn't a thief.


I must have forgotten before I posted this thread that salvage is free for all.
Thank you kindly for reminding me.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#35 - 2012-05-23 05:34:00 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:

Well if we're gonna get philosophical, knowledge is power, the less people know the less likely they're gonna be able to avoid me.

As I'm refraining from posting them just assume I have none. And as for EVE being a social game, yes and no. People aren't allowed to get on with what they want to do with like minded people. People are pulled into other aspects of the game even if they don't want to be and any friendly spirit breaks down instantly. For instance I've just read the carebear post about opting out of PvP. I don't see a problem with that. If you really want to kill him jump in a tornado and alpha blast his hulk. I don't see any need for all corps to be "dec'able" (certain conditions nullifying this [POS being one]). Also I think bounties should be easier to claim in high sec, but don't have any useful suggestions for that I'm afraid.

But back to the thread. Less chance of getting popped by caldari NPC's because someone likes popping battleships.


You can do whatever you want with whomever you want. But SO CAN ANYONE ELSE. Other people pull you into parts of the game that you signed up for because it's a multiplayer game.

I think that if you wan't an un-decable corp, create a chat channel and pretend that's corp chat.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-05-23 05:58:06 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:

Well if we're gonna get philosophical, knowledge is power, the less people know the less likely they're gonna be able to avoid me.

As I'm refraining from posting them just assume I have none. And as for EVE being a social game, yes and no. People aren't allowed to get on with what they want to do with like minded people. People are pulled into other aspects of the game even if they don't want to be and any friendly spirit breaks down instantly. For instance I've just read the carebear post about opting out of PvP. I don't see a problem with that. If you really want to kill him jump in a tornado and alpha blast his hulk. I don't see any need for all corps to be "dec'able" (certain conditions nullifying this [POS being one]). Also I think bounties should be easier to claim in high sec, but don't have any useful suggestions for that I'm afraid.

But back to the thread. Less chance of getting popped by caldari NPC's because someone likes popping battleships.


You can do whatever you want with whomever you want. But SO CAN ANYONE ELSE. Other people pull you into parts of the game that you signed up for because it's a multiplayer game.

I think that if you wan't an un-decable corp, create a chat channel and pretend that's corp chat.

Having a joint hangar is the most useful function of a corp, everything else (other than tax rate) can relatively easily be substituted for other game mechanics. Are you gonna e-mail a dev or should I? Ask them to create rentable shareable hangars?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#37 - 2012-05-23 06:36:10 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:

Well if we're gonna get philosophical, knowledge is power, the less people know the less likely they're gonna be able to avoid me.

As I'm refraining from posting them just assume I have none. And as for EVE being a social game, yes and no. People aren't allowed to get on with what they want to do with like minded people. People are pulled into other aspects of the game even if they don't want to be and any friendly spirit breaks down instantly. For instance I've just read the carebear post about opting out of PvP. I don't see a problem with that. If you really want to kill him jump in a tornado and alpha blast his hulk. I don't see any need for all corps to be "dec'able" (certain conditions nullifying this [POS being one]). Also I think bounties should be easier to claim in high sec, but don't have any useful suggestions for that I'm afraid.

But back to the thread. Less chance of getting popped by caldari NPC's because someone likes popping battleships.


You can do whatever you want with whomever you want. But SO CAN ANYONE ELSE. Other people pull you into parts of the game that you signed up for because it's a multiplayer game.

I think that if you wan't an un-decable corp, create a chat channel and pretend that's corp chat.

Having a joint hangar is the most useful function of a corp, everything else (other than tax rate) can relatively easily be substituted for other game mechanics. Are you gonna e-mail a dev or should I? Ask them to create rentable shareable hangars?


The rent for shareable hangars is the possibility of wardecs.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-05-23 07:34:29 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:

Well if we're gonna get philosophical, knowledge is power, the less people know the less likely they're gonna be able to avoid me.

As I'm refraining from posting them just assume I have none. And as for EVE being a social game, yes and no. People aren't allowed to get on with what they want to do with like minded people. People are pulled into other aspects of the game even if they don't want to be and any friendly spirit breaks down instantly. For instance I've just read the carebear post about opting out of PvP. I don't see a problem with that. If you really want to kill him jump in a tornado and alpha blast his hulk. I don't see any need for all corps to be "dec'able" (certain conditions nullifying this [POS being one]). Also I think bounties should be easier to claim in high sec, but don't have any useful suggestions for that I'm afraid.

But back to the thread. Less chance of getting popped by caldari NPC's because someone likes popping battleships.


You can do whatever you want with whomever you want. But SO CAN ANYONE ELSE. Other people pull you into parts of the game that you signed up for because it's a multiplayer game.

I think that if you wan't an un-decable corp, create a chat channel and pretend that's corp chat.

Having a joint hangar is the most useful function of a corp, everything else (other than tax rate) can relatively easily be substituted for other game mechanics. Are you gonna e-mail a dev or should I? Ask them to create rentable shareable hangars?


The rent for shareable hangars is the possibility of wardecs.
Another ******* genius.
Is sharing a hangar really such a war warmongering action?
So much so that anyone can stick you on the PvP list?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#39 - 2012-05-23 08:10:32 UTC
Checking into this thread because i really love the dispute there is between the ignorant forum alt and the wannabee PL poster! Bear
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#40 - 2012-05-23 08:57:40 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Another ******* genius.
Is sharing a hangar really such a war warmongering action?
So much so that anyone can stick you on the PvP list?


Yep. Sharing a hangar means you're organized and other organizations may decide that you pose a threat/undermine their business/etc because of that organization. Thus they need a method of settling that dispute. WarDecs are that method.

It's a War. There is likely at least one party in every war that would really prefer that the other guy would bugger off instead of all this bloodshed nonsense.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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