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Caldari Militia can still dock

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Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-22 18:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Madbuster73
Caldari Militia can still dock in STPRO stations and pick up their missions which is really ridicilous because having SOV should MEAN something??
This FW update is a JOKE... We took all these systems FOR NOTHING because there are still no consequences for loosing a system for our enemys. They can still pick up missions, and dock and switch ships whenever they want.
I can say that plexing still is completely useless and MEANINGLESS....
Thanks for nothing ccp.
Kalafok
Chroma Corp
Prismatic Legion
#2 - 2012-05-22 18:57:41 UTC
Signed, we took a lot of effort in plexing, this is now for almost nothing.

The actual plexing mechanics are still broken/old. These needed fixing, not the mechanics around the plexing.

This patch is indeed a failure. Small sensible fixes and checking if they work is the way to go. Big overhaul and just assume it will work? No.
Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-22 18:58:46 UTC
I disagree. The station lockout was a moronic idea to begin with, and the less effectively it is implemented the better.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#4 - 2012-05-22 19:02:17 UTC
Ok, so i never was in favor of station lockouts. Faster reships = more fights.

However, allowing the caldari to not only dock in statepro station but to also pick up missions is utterly useless and defeats the point of station lockouts.

The best example would be that SOTF live in a statepro station. At the moment caldari can dock and take missions and reship in station.

In the unlikely event that they capture nisuwa, SOTF are made homeless because its not an FDU station and have to move out.


The best solution to the station situation is NO STATION LOCKOUT AT ALL.
Just lock out the station services, including agents. So they can reship for pvp but are denied income from low-sec agents and repairs to make fighting logistically more difficult.


As it stands the station lock out is pointless since nearly all caldari base out of Statepro stations while most gallente base out of neutral or statepro stations also. Meaning that we cannot deny caldari access to ANYWHERE, while if the tide turns they can evict the bulk of gallente from their homes.


TL;DR;
NO STATION LOCKOUT + NO STATION SERVICES = best middle road to not detract from frequent pvp but still represent consequences for losing or winning a system.
Toshi Zawa
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
#5 - 2012-05-22 19:06:13 UTC
I think we will have the losers (the ones that weren't supposed to dock) coming up against this and those of us that have fought hard for the systems to come out for it.

Everything listed in the patch notes are somehow not implemented on State Protectorate Stations only.

If that is the case, please come clean, if it's a bug, fix it and then we have a separate discussion on how good/bad the change was.

Allowing a Caldari carebear to dock just to get missions in their cloaky manticores is pretty much moving back to the old situation..

Where's the point of taking a system if there are no rewards for the occupiers? We're not arguing about the benefits/disadvantages of the changes, but the changes were decided.. Why is this allowed if it is not a bug?
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-22 19:08:45 UTC
Honestly, I think its a fair compromise. They can always tweak it later. We will see how it plays out.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
HerpDerpDerpHerp de-Derp DerpHerpDerp
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-22 19:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: HerpDerpDerpHerp de-Derp DerpHerpDerp
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HerpDerpDerpHerp de-Derp DerpHerpDerp
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-22 19:11:46 UTC

Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:
I disagree. The station lockout was a moronic idea to begin with, and the less effectively it is implemented the better.




I agree with Fleet Warpsujarento
Toshi Zawa
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
#9 - 2012-05-22 19:17:36 UTC
This is the weirdest.

A Gallente System.
Gallente FW Occupied the System.


State Protectorate Station in System.
.. Patch not effective!

To have this as a compromise or not is a separate issue from this being a bug, or contrary to what the patch notes have stated.

It's like buying a mod with a description that says it does A but does B instead. Just be clear about it.

Discuss about the impact of this on a separate thread.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#10 - 2012-05-22 19:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Can somebody explain to me what "Station Lockout" means? lol.


Nevermind, found it:

""Station deny dockingâ—¦ All stations located in enemy Factional Warfare systems will now deny docking to the opposing militias. Neutrals are not affected by this change and can still dock anywhere they please.
â—¦ All stations located in enemy Factional Warfare systems will now deny service use to enemy pilots that managed to dock before Sovereignty switched hand. Neutrals are not affected.""

Can I dock my pod in a 0.0 station?
Asthariye
Angry Mustellid
#11 - 2012-05-22 20:00:16 UTC
Seeing this in the Minmatar/Amarr warzone as well.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#12 - 2012-05-23 01:17:56 UTC
No CCP response to this?
Im fine with no response if you are all fixing the bull-**** inventory system and putting it back he way it was when the vast majority of people were happily and easily managing their assets, but if you are NOT fixing that idiocy and also not responding to this issue then im about done with you guys.
Toshi Zawa
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
#13 - 2012-05-23 02:39:09 UTC
I have a petition response.. The GM seem surprised as we are about this (not to mention our usual enemies too, judging by their behavior)..

Anyways, I believe it's a bug, or something.
praznimrak
Level Up
#14 - 2012-05-23 13:54:14 UTC
FIX IT

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praznimrak
Level Up
#15 - 2012-05-23 14:50:25 UTC
back on top

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2012-05-23 16:31:06 UTC
But now they can't run L5 missions from Hallanen... (ninja bump)
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-23 20:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Madbuster73
HerpDerpDerpHerp de-Derp DerpHerpDerp wrote:

Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:
I disagree. The station lockout was a moronic idea to begin with, and the less effectively it is implemented the better.




I agree with Fleet Warpsujarento



So in other words: you still want meaningless pvp in FW???
I have a suggestion for you: join Red vs Blue, lots of meaningless pvp for you there. But let FW have some meaning, risks and consequenses.


Also your a real hero replying both with your alt accounts.
You guys too afraid that people will know your opinion with your main char??
Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-24 09:17:28 UTC
Om nom nom delicious Madbuster raeg.

Even more delectable when served on TS
CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp
#19 - 2012-05-24 09:45:22 UTC
Hi guys, thanks for bringing this to our attention.

This is a defect and something we will be fixing ASAP as it obviously has a severe impact on the consequences of owning a FW system. Apologies for this breaking the impact of FW but we are aware of it and working to fix it.

Feel free to poke me on: Twitter
praznimrak
Level Up
#20 - 2012-05-24 11:29:05 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
Hi guys, thanks for bringing this to our attention.

This is a defect and something we will be fixing ASAP as it obviously has a severe impact on the consequences of owning a FW system. Apologies for this breaking the impact of FW but we are aware of it and working to fix it.



THX

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