Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Long story short:
No real reason to remove ganking as it's benefitial to the economy,

To the people whining about: BUFF ZEH HULK SO I CAN BE A STATION

Just to be a total smartass, let me show you a comparison.

A standard aircraft is very expensive, how much does it take to blow it up? Not much at all.

A 747 costs around 320 Million Us Dollars. A stinger missile costs 40 000 Us dollars.

Why don't they implement defensive messures against this sort of threat? Because it costs money to replace passenger capacity with defense systems.

Whilst I'm open for a slight tweak of the amount of slots a miner has, it shouldn't recieve any way of boosting it's mining output, and it should be turned into a completely different ship, at a much higher manufacturing cost. Why? Because it's expensive to install military grade hardware into a ship intended for civilian purposes.


A hulk is not supposed to have to defend itself, and if you whine about it not being able to stop a person from blowing your stuff up, then you have no concept of roles. As has been mentioned many times before: Want saftey? Fly something with more tank and less yield.

It's similar with interceptors and frigates. The interceptors are designed to be fast and nimble ships, what do they pay with? E-HP and tankability, yet they do what they're supposed to do well because they're designed for that spesific role.

The same goes for the hulk. It's designed to mine stuff, not shoot stuff. Same reason why they changed the freighter: it's made to move stuff, and be as cheap as possible. Allowing people to put mods in it would make it from a design standpoint more expensive than it has to be.

The safest place to mine is infact Null.
Why? It has reliable intel channels and there are actually fewer people around, so when you see that a 10 man thrasher gang is coming your way, you dock up long before they ever reach your system.

And then there's the final piece of knowledge that eludes the miners: You make a lot of money off of mining, why not split that profit with a combat pilot or two to make sure you mine Safely.

With the implementation of the new wardec system, more merc corps should start to surface in the near future, and it's not impossible that quite a few will offer protection from attacks for mining ops. It's boring, but given that 2-3 pvp ships can defend 10-15 miners, the amount of money you'll be losing for paying them won't be the end of the world.



TL:DR

Eve is a sandbox, don't run to daddy and ask him to change the rules of the world so that you don't have to solve issues yourself.

Just out of curiosity as a thought exercise: What if CCP gave into all of your ideas automagically pow! When does it stop? A complete ban on ganking or some draconian payment system are complete counter to the concept of the game!
It seems to me that you will never be happy until high sec is a no risk systems. Is your idea the last of its kind? When the gankers find the work around will you cry then as well?

Why is the solution never to educate the uninformed that the game has risk and nowhere is 100% Safe. I would assume that a hulk pilot of all people would not need to be told about this. I guess it is just easier to complain, than align out and mine. I have seen plenty of people on the forums give the best advice as to how to beat the gank, but no no no! We can not have people learning to play, we must punish those that play in a manner we do not approve of.

Vinn

…there will be plenty of people to fill the void of the miners who have left, and who will perform those duties while being safety-concious.

That is the beauty of the EVE industrial economy.

As for the long-term repercussions, those are exactly what people are not looking at when they're suggesting that things like ganking should be removed.

Read before posting please. A well fittet Hulk with a logi repping him SHOULD have a chance to survive two tornados ( to call for HELP in 0.0 as an example ). At the moment, it get's bursted into crap just because there is not enough buffer.

There should be no default win over two unarmed (but repping each other) ships, they should have the chance to survive for a small ammount of time ( till the logi gets fuc*ed).. This would be, you know.. fair.

@OP

Suicide ganking is a very important feature in this game.

It is

• exciting to prepare for it,
• exciting to do it and,
• entertaining to see all the tears resulting out of it afterwards.

Those tears sometimes get an eternal digital monument in the forums.

On a side note

• it helps to improve awareness etc. of high sec pilots,
• it boosts the market by increasing demands,
• shows the need of CONCORD

and is thus overall a good thing.

Stuff needs to explode, that's how the universe works. Rise and fall, dude. Rise and fall.

I don't suicide gank. I disagree with suicide ganking, morally.

However, I don't endorse the removal of suicide ganking because:

1) It provides a sizeable market requirement for T1 hulls (from gankers) and T2 and T1 hulls (gankees)

2) It promotes moving out of high sec into WHs and nullsec

3) It teaches people that EvE isn't safe or fluffy

4) It provides people (gankers who know what they're doing) with an income. This income is from people who need to learn how to fly safely. If they don't learn from their mistakes that's their problem.

EvE isn't a game that coddles people and from CCP's advertised standpoint it never will. This, to the majority of the players, is a good thing.

Getting repeatedly ganked says more about the gankee than it does about the ganker.

Yes, please do.

Why on earth should it? It's a resource extraction vehicle being targeted by, effectively, two fast-moving, fast-locking battleships (in terms of the damage output) — not only are we talking about the pinnacle of subcap combat vessels, but there's two of them. So no, turning to scrap in with a very suddent “pfffft” seems entirely reasonable in that scenario.

If it took a minute, you weren't aligned. “Aligned” doesn't mean “pointing in the right direction” because unmoving ships have no direction as far as the game physics engine is concerned. When standing still, you're a zero-length vector — a point — and it doesn't matter which direction you choose, getting up to speed takes equally long regardless.

In EVE, “aligned” means moving in the right direction at 75%+ max speed. If you're aligned, you warp off immediately.

Love you man, you win hands down .

EvE rule 1.
-Concord exists to punish... Not protect.

"I refuse to mine intelligently and instead simply demand the playground bullies to leave me alone."

Yeah, sure... that's totally gonna work.

I've shot at mining barges probably less times than I have fingers on one hand but trust me, if you put probably a tenth of the effort into avoiding ganks as you do posting in this thread you'd have a pretty high survivability rate (maybe even 100%) without sacrificing any of your precious mining yield.

If you can't or won't figure out how to do this then I take it you'll leave industry or the game fairly soon, making way for pilots who actually want to play a game instead of push three buttons and read a book and whine on the forums when they finish their chapter and come back to the game to find themselves in their pods wondering what just happened.