EVE General Discussion

I actually like the new integrated inventory view, it's almost intuitive. I know there are some of you who do not like it, and I respect that viewpoint. As fellow subbers your opinion counts as much as mine does.

I offer a solution that has already been implimented regarding the ship spinning issue. You can toggle between CQ and the ship view with a single click. Let's try that with the inventory interface: if you click a toggle, it reverts to the old view people are accustomed to. For those of you like myself who like the new setup, we do not have to click that toggle, or click it where it does become convenient to work between both modes.

RR

There's a central design flaw with the concept of a "unified" inventory window. It makes the poor assumption that all locations should be treated equally and have equal precedence.

There are roughly (7) main classifications of containers. Each of these classifications should have their own parent window, which only includes containers of similar type and purpose and each parent window should remember its location and open/close state.

(1) the current ship - which used to be opened with the ALT-C short-cut key combination. The unified inventory would be an improvement if that would have limited ALT-C to just showing a inventory window encompassing the cargo, corp hangars, ship maint bays, ore bays, fuel bays, drone bays of the current ship. This setting needs to be remembered on a ship *type* basis when docked and in space. The cargo display that I want for an Orca is vastly different then one for a carrier vs a freighter vs a frigate vs a cap-boosted battleship.

(2) other ships - These should have been left in their own window, but with the improved access that the tree view (somewhat) brings to the table such as being able to look at fuel bays, cargo bays in a faster manner then the old right-click menu. It needs its own dedicated short-cut key to open.

(3) personal hangar - All the cans and containers within your personal hangar. This needs to be its own separate parent window so that the player can easily understand "this is the stuff in this station" vs "this is the stuff in my current ship" vs "this is stuff within my other ships" vs "this is stuff that the corporation owns". This also needs a dedicated short-cut key and neocom button.

(4) corporate hangar & deliveries - These deserve their own dedicated parent window which includes *only* the corp hangars and delivery hangar, which remembers its position and whether it is open/closed. It should never be merged with the personal hangar window because corporate stuff should never be easily confused with personal stuff.

(5) permanently floating structures - POS labs, arrays, batteries, anchored secure containers, jump bridges, customs offices should all be banished to their own parent window, not merged into the existing "inventory" window. These are all the sorts of things where you'll probably only have (1) or (2) of them open at the same time and they need to be shown as separate and distinct from your ship's cargo.

(6) another ship's corporate office or ship bay - such as Orcas and carriers - These need to be kept visually distinct from your ship's contents window to avoid confusion.

(7) temporary floating containers - These are typically accessed one at a time, maybe 2-3 at a time in a mining operation. They need their own parent window, but that parent window could easily manage all containers within range.

I just hope the devs see this, it's absolutely spot on.

POS management tonight was quite frankly, hell.

It comes down to : why did we need a unified inventory again? when everything we do requires you to actualy see the "free/occupied" volume and/or multiple items crammed together into a container/cargo which one way or another needed to get moved into another container - with again limited volume.... removing the visual indicator of said free space ( if any ) can never be a good thing!

If to many containers are your problem then i really doubt you can memories every container's content. At this point you wont go any faster through the containers as you have to click every container in the tree now... if your problem was corp hangars, you now have to click on each tab in the treeline instead of going through the old tab system....

Again: anything this inventory can do is going to turn into the old system- open multiple windows with shift-click in the tree - then have those windows open next to eachother and see how much space is used/free in the containers we are using in the procces...

So one more time... why did we need this new system again..?


Atleast the old system was faster, more organized, and can i say better styles then what we have been rammed through our throats today... Except for the search option thingies... that looks awesome, just wondering why nobody in ccp failteam thought to just add that to the old system - using a dropdown menu next to the old search window... -> with having the tree inventory optional when clicking a button to searh ALL containers available in station/pos or wherever...

Then again, that sounds to obvious... lets **** some customers off instead O/

Are you still laughing?

I don't understand how you guys could screw this up so badly. Really.

What do we have to do to get the old inventory back?

Dude, we really tried on the Sisi forums passionately for a solid month. It comes to TQ like a slap across our intelligence, sensibility, and our WALLETS. And that last point is where I strike back.

lol this is great! I lolled out loud when i pasted this here, quoting for posterity!

Actually, now that I think about it, historically the Vikings did a really good job of pushing their agenda on other cultures without so much as a by-your-leave. Can this behavior be passed down ? Thoughts ?

That kind of thing while good at first, as the people get used to the new features, eventually ends up piling up code that is not really necessary, and overloads the game, at least in the case of the whole item storage. Keeping ship spinning is probably far less complex.

Its quite difficult to cater to everybody's tastes.

The new missile effects are sweet.

The new inventory is clunky, unwieldy, and shamefully lacking in the player feedback I saw in the feed-back section. Congrats, CCP. You haven't fixed anything in your company. All your talk of process improvements and better handling of personnel and feedback amounts to a giant pile of hot air. You have spent what seems to be a significant effort fixing something that wasn't broken, and in the process it's become less easy to use. Putting all the different inventories into one window means I can't look at two different inventories simultaneously, which makes moving stuff from a corp hangar array to my ship cargo a hell of a lot more of a burden than it used to be.

I run a 6 toon PI chain out of a POS in a wormhole. I have been trying to do it today with the new UI. What used to take me 45~ish minutes across all six has already taken more than that for the FIRST ******* PAIR.

Also we (my corp, CERS, and I) are running into quite a lot of problems with active modules not shutting off, and we had one toon not able to jump through a wormhole.

Congrats, CCP. ANother ****** SUMMER EXPANSION. What the **** is wrong with your company that every summer you **** up this badly?


Edit: Found a thing. Right-click on your ship's cargo, or a corp hangar, or other object, and you can 'open in new window'. So this doesn't completely suck. It's just MOSTLY suck.