Warfare & Tactics

I seem to remember the first thing I was told as a complete noob: trust no one in EVE.

Still applies. Still sucks when you have to be reminded of it the hard way. Giving anyone +10 is an invitation for disappointment and should be considered extremely carefully.

And also, the whole idea of capturing systems before DT is a valid strategy and pretty clever. Who says it has to be fair. Eve is not about fair fights or playing nice. Don't set expectations on anyone based on your own moral ethic and you'll be loads happier. My 2 cents.

*popcorn*

i Lolled. After all the stories and everything =) Can you guys spot the liar and the topic deflection? One side has not changed at all because they are sure of their stance. The other keeps trying to find a hole in the defence. =) I lolled.

LOL. Our promise? to whom, ourselves? Kamela only ever mattered to us once we'd taken every other system from you guys. You literally left us with nothing else you cared about to take from you.

Kamela was always a long shot because you wisely reinforced your presence there - instead of say, moving everything you owned to Egghelende. Big props to WB for stepping up, playing the game, and defending what mattered to them. Even at the end, we were fighting there cause there was action, it was pretty obvious all along to anyone actually following the plexing point tallies that our chances of seizing it before downtime were slim. "The Battle for Kamela" was *always* about the lulz, plain and simple.

I really don't see what the big fuss is about. It's a game. SoTF did what they wanted to. Big deal. It's over and done with now. I wasn't aware internet space ships mattered this much. Have some laughs about it, joke that you'll shoot at them next time, and move on.

edit: Hell, if you would have shot at them, sure they may have shot back. But with the right attitude about it you'd still likely have blue status with each other. The way I see this is like a game of CoD or whatever. So your usual allies are on the opposite team this time? So what? You're going to kill and get killed by them this round, but after the match you all just smile, laugh about it, and continue being allies beyond that.

I'm sure you guys wouldn't have whined had we had late night alliance or one of the bigger Minmatar group come and remote repair the Caldari guys during say the fight in Rakapass..

There were already whines from Gals about the Russians, so I'm pretty sure had Minmatar been helping us like Sotf helped WB.. Im' sure you guys would have found it in youir hearts to whine over it.

I wouldn't have. I'm sure some other Gallentes would, but I wouldn't.
Every one is their own entity and does whatever they please. Unfortunately, I was still asleep for most of the fights with the Russians and y'all. I would have enjoyed it. I mean, really, this is a game. Every body has friends and those friends aren't always on the same side of the fence of our other friends. As I said in my previous post, I view it like a round of Call of Duty. So members of my "clan" (to put it in CoD perspective) are on the other team. Okay. That doesn't bother me one bit. I'll shoot at them and they'll shoot at me. After the match we'll all laugh about it, congratulate the winner, and continue to be a "clan". It wouldn't affect my views on them as allies. In fact, I'd probably respect them a little more for sticking beside their friends. It wasn't like SoTF was making a major offensive push. They were keeping their friend's home.

Right. So as I have actually been brought up as involved in this i think i probably should wade my way into the deep end. ^^

*First off i just want to say that we have had some epic fights over the past week and had kourm as the most dangerous system in eve like 5 days in a row or something over the fighting happening on there. And guess why that is, we finally have it actually mean something and man am i glad for that.*

I actually was woken up by an alliance mate, after pulling an all-nighter before defending our systems the day before patch day, to come and play a hand as i have a variety of contacts and know some of Sotf more than others. When i came on i found that W-BR had been reinforce by D'N'D to help defend their home.

Honestly, it didn't surprise me at all because people will do what they do to defend their ****, i wouldn't particularly like to lose my home. But what did surprise me was who they called. Because the day before a fleet of AAA came up to assist them, although they actually didn't stay around for long.

And this is just speculation and may or may not be true, but from the way it seemed these blues were called to assist by W-BR knowing full well that we have blues with them ourselves and it was ether designed to break them or just to force us to a halt. For all i know though it could be due to the fact that the rest of their friends were unavailable.

But if the Amarr had actually managed to rally like we had and actually showed a unified front instead of all working on there own separate areas for the most part than this may not have happened, and of which we will never know the outcome if it did.

However, back to the point at hand. As many of you may or may not be aware i am probably one of the most well known of the minmatar militia and run things like intel channels, team speak server, kb admin and other such things and on-top of this i try my best to keep on-top of all diplomatic things that go on and set them up where i see they are suitable.

Therefore we did actually have Sotf blue as i know Late night alliance did amongst a few others. I do not see how some of the militia having you set -10 may be a just cause for you to assist our War targets as such. I get that you can't set a blanket blue policy as we have done the same for the gallente, but if the majority do have you set blue, the ones who in some regard really matter then it is a bit ****. And you can hardly say the Minmatar having done anything to help you when you never give us the chance to, fair enough that you have brosefs in W-BR to assist you so there may be no need. But you still can't use it as an excuse for this as its your call to make who you ask for assistance whether we offer it to you or not after is of no difference.

With our conversations on the day we agreed that we would back off out of Kamela as long as no offensive plexing was to be taken by W-BR in pushing our systems, though there was a few "solo" pilots who obviously will never listen and just do as they please anyway and both sides agreed that this would be the case. So following this we decided that we would push another system at the other end of the warzone whilst keeping a force to defend the systems around kourm from a push by other corps and solo pilots of the Amarr. Upon discovering this W-BR saw it as a breach of the agreement as the other corp of W-BRs Lost obsession alliance, Dewa Brotherhood, live there. Now as far as we were concerned we were sticking to what was agreed and it was not our fault that the details on their behalf were not as detailed as they may have liked them to be. But following this, along with one of our other alliance CEOs Bahamut420 logging on and talking to Lock Out, i believe, the decision for their alliance was to reset them for their actions. Following this D'N'D then decided that they would reset the rest of the minmatar militia, excluding Spiritus Draconis as they had agreed to stay as was said.

I am not saying that this action wouldn't have been inevitable, but just because one alliance decides to reset you, and us having not broken the original agreement, you decide to reset the entire militia is a bit strange but that is down to you. After this plexing and fighting ensued around a wide range of systems before being centered once again on Kamela. (And i promptly went back to sleep)

Personally, i don't think we would have taken Kamela off of the Amarr although we would have given, and still did give it, a damn good try. Simply due to the amount of *friends* that W-BR have. I understand the reasons why you asked for assistance just not that it had to be from people you knew we had blue. I think the majority of sensible pilots could see this ending up the way it has, because simply just because you are blue to someone does not mean you get to dictate what they do and where they fly. Like i wouldn't dream of telling Sotf to not fly with W-BR because i know they do certain operations together and are friends as can be shown in killing the titan in Amamake earlier this year. But it doesn't mean you should **** all over us in the process. I do get the reasons behind it completely but it doesn't mean i agree with the method that it came across through.

Just want to clarify, up-to the point where the reset happen. Sotf did not shoot any they had blue to my knowledge. Not trying to stab you in the back over what you have done. Just want you to see the view from my perspective and understand where we/I come from.

Maglor Shaye > myst, that post was wonderfully off topic


Kfine.
I'll just sit here and entertain myself. ¬_¬.

Dem tears.
Whatever you guys do Gal, know that draketrain supports it (well, at least it's Polish part does ).
I need to convince Lacco to join militia, just for a week to **** that all up. Just can't decide which one...

I'd been considering buying an alt to play around with FW after the upcoming changes, and I know a lot of other people have been considering this as well from various parts of the game.

But every thread, article, blog, or piece of written text I've seen regarding FW comes off as the whiniest, trollingest (not a word), most biased piece of linguistic garbage I've ever seen. It makes the nullsec entities look like paragons of civility and mutual understanding.

So much for gudfites.